tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post3379258263789392091..comments2024-02-10T18:19:36.406-08:00Comments on Newspaper Rock: November-December 2008 Stereotype of the Month loserRobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-13250212467543691632010-09-26T05:59:04.514-07:002010-09-26T05:59:04.514-07:00I discussed the term "First Americans" i...I discussed the term "First Americans" in <a href="http://newspaperrock.bluecorncomics.com/2009/12/first-americans-isnt-honorific.htm" rel="nofollow">"First Americans" Isn't an Honorific</a>.<br /><br />I'd say DMarks rarely if ever "hates" on Natives and their plight. And he's been the most consistent commenter over the blog's four years, so I wouldn't call him a troll.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-11418605844783681362010-09-21T14:51:00.161-07:002010-09-21T14:51:00.161-07:00Dmarks, I have never said anything close to or eve...Dmarks, I have never said anything close to or even used the words rich and Jew in the same regard, thats someone else you are arguing with,<br /><br />I also never talked about Navajos, and my talk of "holocaust" was shortlived and only compared with the genocide of natives.<br /><br />Where are you getting this stuff?Burtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-73953083643434702292010-09-21T11:06:18.867-07:002010-09-21T11:06:18.867-07:00mouse: explaining it? No you redefined it on the f...mouse: explaining it? No you redefined it on the fly. Have you since looked up the word? Last time you had no idea what it meant.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-84079370609373199082010-09-20T22:44:43.973-07:002010-09-20T22:44:43.973-07:00@ Burt, please oh please don't try to explain ...@ Burt, please oh please don't try to explain to dmarks the meaning of the word steal!!! Bwhahahaha!!! ROFLMAO with tears streaming down my face.<br /><br /><br />AnonymouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-884014014478996802010-09-20T16:01:21.485-07:002010-09-20T16:01:21.485-07:00Burt said: "You are the first person I have e...Burt said: "You are the first person I have ever heard openly state that Natives were not corraled together like cattle which is equal to Nazi "concentration camps""<br /><br />Time to call your bluff: Where did I openly, or covertly say this? You should be able to readily provide a quotation. You won't. I know it already.<br /><br />"and refer to native sufferage and Jewish sufferage as "apples and oranges"<br /><br />You know as well as I do that we were talking about foreign/native language distinctions in modern universities. As deplorable as the modern situation is, it IS without a doubt "apples and oranges" when compared to Natives being killed in concentration camps.<br /><br />"Rob needs not look far to find his "steroetype" of the month with Dmarks here."<br /><br />During your frequent "shut off brain and rant away without regards to anything said rants", you have lost sight of the fact that I have agreed with you on actual Native issues. <br /><br />I just happen to disagree strongly with your stereotype description of Navajo, your buying into a JFK hoax, and your claim that because all Jews are rich, it makes the Holocaust OK. None of which has anything to do with Native issues. The only actual Native issue we've locked horns on is Ward Churchill.<br /><br />The rest of from your flawed logic, one example being your assertion that rejecting the JFK hoax means that one disrespects Native rights.<br /><br />"or calls the US federal policies and practices of genocide against its first peoples "fairy tales"."<br /><br />You actually use the term "Fairy Tale" far more than I do. But I reserved it only for referring to the JFK and 9/11 "inside job" hoaxes. I defy you to come up with one instance of me calling any situation with Natives a "Fairy tale". Again, you won't.<br /><br />"Dmarks calls this a "hissy fit"!"<br /><br />It was. Your statement had nothing do with what I said. <br /><br />"This guy is not native, defines native issues through his conservative right-wing lament against liberals,"<br /><br />I defy you to come up with one example of this. Again... you won't. I part company with conservatives on most Bative issues, along with other things.<br /><br />"...hating on natives and our plight! Why does Rob allow this?"<br /><br />Yes, Rob, why do you allow my frequent Native bashing? Why oh why?dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-8513158023742810412010-09-20T11:36:54.803-07:002010-09-20T11:36:54.803-07:00You are the first person I have ever heard openly ...You are the first person I have ever heard openly state that Natives were not corraled together like cattle which is equal to Nazi "concentration camps" and refer to native sufferage and Jewish sufferage as "apples and oranges". Remember Dmarks, some Jews survived those camps also, even I know that.<br /><br />Rob needs not look far to find his "steroetype" of the month with Dmarks here.<br />He (Dmarks) always plays down native history and our plight with comments like, "it was better than this or better than that," or calls the US federal policies and practices of genocide against its first peoples "fairy tales".<br /><br />When I made this remark:<br /><br />"How do you pay for something you already own and by that logic, white America has yet to pay tribes for theft and destruction of resources, muchless real estate."<br /><br />Dmarks calls this a "hissy fit"!<br /><br />This guy is not native, defines native issues through his conservative right-wing lament against liberals, something he could do on Michael Moore's website or someone else and he is not the publisher of this blog and yet he "trolls" this site hating on natives and our plight!<br /><br />Why does Rob allow this?Burtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-85516276087346890922010-09-19T18:08:49.297-07:002010-09-19T18:08:49.297-07:00They did not kill my Odawa-speaking friend, so you...They did not kill my Odawa-speaking friend, so your concentration camp analogy is apples and oranges. <br /><br />I'm sure that the people of the strongly liberal University of Michigan would appreciate you equating them with Nazis... NOT.<br /><br />"Again, you seem to only use the "right" side of your brain Dmarks and that being said, your comments are always half empty and half full."<br /><br />I doubt you will find anyone that will agree with you on this issue.<br /><br />"How do you pay for something you already own and by that logic, white America has yet to pay tribes for theft and destruction of resources, muchless real estate."<br /><br />I agree with you on general principes, which is why it is curious why you had a hissy-fit here. Perhaps it is a grudge carried over from elsewhere, like when I called you out on your very racist statement about the Navajo.<br /><br />Take a deep breath. Don't let emotions rule.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-59217598393550543842010-09-19T17:12:41.866-07:002010-09-19T17:12:41.866-07:00Thats like saying, "at least they gave the Je...Thats like saying, "at least they gave the Jews numbers in concentration camps so they could keep track of them."<br /><br />I appreciate your "optimism" in seeing the good side of racism Dmarks, but, <br /><br />QUESTION: "At what point in American history do the descendants of foreigners and state governments call the original peoples for what they are, original Americans?<br /><br />ANSWER: Possibly never, or by anglo-philosophy, Natives and tribal nations have to BUY their way into American history books and culture?<br /><br />How do you pay for something you already own and by that logic, white America has yet to pay tribes for theft and destruction of resources, muchless real estate.<br /><br />Again, you seem to only use the "right" side of your brain Dmarks and that being said, your comments are always half empty and half full.Burtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-22054695007962189822010-09-19T06:38:24.184-07:002010-09-19T06:38:24.184-07:00Burt said:
"Did you also know that the Univ...Burt said: <br /><br />"Did you also know that the University of Oklahoma offers native languages (Creek/Seminole; Choctaw; Cherokee; Kiowa and Cheyenne), but accredits them as "foreign" language electives?"<br /><br />That's better than not recognizing at all. I mentioned elsewhere about the fluent Odawa speaker who had a problem that the University of Michigan said she did not meet a foreign-language speaking requirement. Rather than mislabel Native languages as "foreign", they did not recognize them at all!dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-56554520058880535792010-09-18T21:07:51.996-07:002010-09-18T21:07:51.996-07:00What disturbs me about this symbol and its represe...What disturbs me about this symbol and its representation is if you look into the "eskimos" eyes, they are whitened out and blank, as if there is nothing there, but the smile says it all for me.<br /><br />I had a friend in Oklahoma whom was Inuit from Alaska and she said this would not be acceptable in Alaska. Recent racial slurs done on the radio angered both natives and non-natives alike.<br /><br />Did you also know that the University of Oklahoma offers native languages (Creek/Seminole; Choctaw; Cherokee; Kiowa and Cheyenne), but accredits them as "foreign" language electives?<br /><br />Only in Oklahoma, the same state that banned Jim Thorpe, but NOW wants him back and buried there, the state that has an ongoing tradition of ignoring and even demonizing native dignitaries, veterans included.Burtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-52170318749177641232010-09-18T03:58:28.998-07:002010-09-18T03:58:28.998-07:00No, I haven't heard of that.
It's not too...No, I haven't heard of that.<br /><br />It's not too late for another protest. Let's see how Eskimo Joe fares in the Internet/Facebook/Twitter era.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-91972568423840877802010-09-16T15:46:08.201-07:002010-09-16T15:46:08.201-07:00Rob, I am curious if you have ever heard of the ra...Rob, I am curious if you have ever heard of the racist icon used for a small, but popular college and sports bar in Stillwater, Oklahoma called, "Eskimo Joes"!<br /><br />The business uses a smiling, menacing grinned caricature of what is supposed to be an "eskimo" as its business symbol.<br /><br />http://www.eskimojoes.com/<br /><br />There were a few small protest going on when I went to school back in the 90's, but I don't think anything ever came of it and the business owner won out.Burtnoreply@blogger.com