tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post3825918669625486205..comments2024-02-10T18:19:36.406-08:00Comments on Newspaper Rock: Racist "jokes" are no jokesRobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-41350964659913212772009-07-20T03:28:58.864-07:002009-07-20T03:28:58.864-07:00"Are you seriously arguing that Democrats are..."Are you seriously arguing that Democrats are exactly as racist as Republicans?"<br /><br />Perhaps more so, if you get away from the jokes and look at explicitly racist policies.<br /><br />California's Prop. 209 prohibited public institutions from discriminating against people on the basis of race, sex, or ethnicity. There was a major division on this along party lines, with Democrats opposing this reform and Republicans supporting it.<br /><br />Whenever similar proposals in other states come up, the Democrats arise and loudly speak out in favor of the necessity of public institutions discriminating against people for their skin color.<br /><br />That's a major example of a policy issue where the Democrats take the racist side. As according to the second definition of racism in Merriam-Webster's dictionary: "racial prejudice or <b>discrimination</b>"<br /><br />To his credit, while President Obama sometimes seems on the fence about this, he has shied away from the usual Democratic support of this particular racist policy. Perhaps he realizes that there are forms of affirmative action that do not require blatant racial discrimination and are actually more effective.<br />----------------------<br /><br />As for the jokes and blatant racial jabs, the Dems are probably better at keeping the racist jokes among friends, rather than sending them out to the public. But sometimes they do blurt things out. I also recall Mayor Daley in Chicago (a white Democrat) saying during his campaign "This city needs a white mayor".dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-69594152862577510702009-07-19T19:04:35.106-07:002009-07-19T19:04:35.106-07:00"But these racists benefit from "a deepl..."But these racists benefit from "a deeply entrenched white supremacist ideology in this country"--which is another way of saying "white privilege."<br /><br />If racists are all white then explain the million man marches and the vile bigotry of CAIR? These revolting cartoons were drawn by the very non-White Khalil Bendib:<br /><br />http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZxKAf8oOwtI/SFh5k0OtAkI/AAAAAAAAORs/rXVXNgU-xj8/s400/5-23-Syria-Peace--.jpg<br /><br />http://www.bendib.com/black/Rap-Brown.jpg<br /><br />http://www.bendib.com/palestine/Terrorism-schmerrorism.jpg<br /><br />http://www.bendib.com/newones/2009/may/small/5-10-Tragicomedy.jpg<br /><br />"They can act the way they do because the white majority tolerates their behavior."<br /><br />What would you have the majority do? Initiate draconian 'hate crime' laws? Personally I think such things are best ignored, if there's one thing you don't wanna do it's giving dumb crap like those jokes attention, racists thrive on that.<br /><br />" Not a single person challenged the e-mails until an anonymous source sent them to the newspaper."<br /><br />Probably because they didn't think it was worth their time, if I recieved an email like that I'd just roll my eyes and delete it.<br /><br />Also there's the matter of this post:<br /><br />http://www.bluecorncomics.com/racerpt.htm<br /><br />"For those who think racial prejudice isn't deeply ingrained in our society, here's a sobering news item. From the LA Times, 4/25/01:<br /><br />After a U.S. spy plane collided with a Chinese fighter jet along the coast of southeast China earlier this month, a rash of talk show hosts and radio personalities called for the internment of people of Chinese ancestry. Some even urged a boycott of Chinese restaurants and made fun of Asian accents."<br /><br />The only thing that proves is that this country has moronic and bigoted talk show hosts, that doesn't really make us any worse than other countries. And the idea that only the US has racism 'deeply ingrained' into it is absurd, every country has a sorid history of bigotry that often makes even worse chapters of American history look tame.<br /><br />"The statistics on America's marriage preferences are especially revealing. It's relatively easy to tolerate "those people" when they live in another town or neighborhood. It's harder if you're intimately involved with them, sharing the same house and bed. If a third of Americans say they wouldn't marry certain people because of their skin color, then a third of Americans are racist."<br /><br />Once again those stats show a minority of people.<br /><br />"Further showing that this is no aberration, a poll in the Washington Post (6/21/01) reported: "Nearly half of African-Americans said they have been the victims of discrimination in the past 10 years."<br /><br />That isn't exactly solid proof, people have lied about hate crimes before, it would have been better if you had included stats of actual hate crimes.<br /><br />"Racism occurs almost daily to minorities in America. Police shootings (Amadou Diallo, Margaret Mitchell, Tyisha Miller), beatings (Rodney King, Abner Louima)"<br /><br />Those incidents as deplorable as they are not exactly happening 'almost every day'.<br /><br />"and racial profiling are only the most obvious examples."<br /><br />http://www.city-journal.org/html/11_2_the_myth.html<br /><br />"As Professor Wellman concludes, "Although whites sound racially tolerant, in the end their actions and attitudes often maintain white privilege."<br /><br />Thank you prof for telling us what every single white american thinks!Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-5612228234917183952009-07-19T18:36:44.510-07:002009-07-19T18:36:44.510-07:00How interesting that you failed to mention the rab...How interesting that you failed to mention the rabid anti-semitism of the the left; von Brunn (who's actually not a conservative what with his anti-Iraq war stance, his hatred of bush, his hatred of fox, his hatred of McCain etc.) is an example. Another example:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<br />File:Protests_Edinburgh_10_1_<br />2009_5.JPG<br /><br />Other examples include, Chomsky, AIM, George Galloway, Ken Livingstone, Jan Marijnissen (the dutch socialist party leader) etc.Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-3301972736082344912009-07-19T17:42:03.369-07:002009-07-19T17:42:03.369-07:00Is that the best you can do, DMarks? Three instan...Is that the best you can do, DMarks? Three instances of Democrats making racist remarks in the last 25 years? (I'm not counting Hillary because her remarks were questionable, not blatant like Jackson's "Hymietown.")<br /><br />If I limited myself to major Republican figures, I probably could find a dozen examples of racism in the last year or two. If I broadened my search to state and local Republicans, I probably could find a hundred or more. If I looked back over the last 25 years, I probably could find a thousand.<br /><br />Are you seriously arguing that Democrats are exactly as racist as Republicans? That's hysterically funny as well as flat-out wrong. Anyone who believes that doesn't know much about recent American politics.<br /><br />If you disagree, feel free to put your money where your mouth is. I'll bet I can find more examples of Republican racism than you can find of Democratic racism over any period since 1980. Deal?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-32362649287193432162009-07-19T17:17:49.827-07:002009-07-19T17:17:49.827-07:00I'd like to see the evidence of Frago's pa...I'd like to see the evidence of Frago's party affiliation, Anonymous. I searched the Web and couldn't find anything official. People can change parties, you know. <br /><br />Anyway, I spent more time writing about the people who received the e-mail than about Frago. Regardless of Frago's affiliation, <i>they</i> are predominantly conservative. I doubt these e-mails would've proliferated in a place such as West Los Angeles.<br /><br />Nevertheless, if I had meant to bash conservatives only, I would've done so. Regular readers know I have no problem doing that. But this posting wasn't about party affiliation, so Atwater's beliefs are largely irrelevant.<br /><br />I intended this to be an example of racism in America as a whole--<i>not</i> in a particular place or party. An example of how people make "jokes" that aren't really jokes. That's not a phenomenon limited to conservatives.<br /><br />As reader Stephen can tell you, I often generalize about America's racial attitudes. I don't single out conservative supporters of racism or stereotyping while excusing liberal supporters. I blame everyone who perpetuates the problem without regard to religion, race, or creed.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-79882521190468369582009-07-19T16:03:49.657-07:002009-07-19T16:03:49.657-07:00Almost forgot the Hillary Clinton primary campaign...Almost forgot the Hillary Clinton primary campaign: a left-wing Democrat who <i>did</i> make racist statements against Obama.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-85142697444895932752009-07-19T16:02:13.939-07:002009-07-19T16:02:13.939-07:00Well, I know from the past that left-wing Democrat...Well, I know from the past that left-wing Democrats are perfectly capable of people who make the most racist references or tell bigoted jokes when the cameras supposedly are not running. Bob Kerrey, Willy Brown, and Jesse Jackson come to mind.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-20942020898817644292009-07-19T14:49:32.011-07:002009-07-19T14:49:32.011-07:00Actually, Electronicvillage has it wrong. I have ...Actually, Electronicvillage has it wrong. I have firsthand knowledge of the man and the area, and I can tell you, as much as any of us wish otherwise, Gary Frago is a registered Democrat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-27363498678588962632009-07-19T09:52:31.302-07:002009-07-19T09:52:31.302-07:00You didn't bring politics into this one, but t...You didn't bring politics into this one, but typically (including in several recent posts) it is a Republican making such statements, you bring the party and politics into it right away.<br /><br />Thanks for finding Electronic Village. So he is a Republican.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-5773402166460943282009-07-19T07:38:35.878-07:002009-07-19T07:38:35.878-07:00The only reason Atwater isn't as rabidly conse...The only reason Atwater isn't as rabidly conservative as some places is because it has a huge Latino population: 41.5% in 2000. Summing it up, 57% of Merced County voted for Bush in 2004. Without the left-leaning Latino vote, the amount would've been 60-70%, at least.<br /><br />Any questions? You should try not to make everything into a political issue, friend. If you do, you should be prepared to lose the debate. ;-)Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-89766762533642623892009-07-19T07:23:28.952-07:002009-07-19T07:23:28.952-07:00I didn't bring politics into this posting, DMa...I didn't bring politics into this posting, DMarks. I figured the city council position in Atwater was probably a nonpartisan office. I knew a town in central California would be conservative, but I didn't think I needed to say so.<br /><br />But if you insist on discussing Frago and the rest of the Atwater community, so be it.<br /><br />http://electronicvillage.blogspot.com/2009/07/racist-emails-from-mayor-gary-frago-r.html<br /><br />Atwater is a small city of 26,000 people in central California. The mayor pro-tem is Gary Frago. Frago, a 63-year old Republican politician serving on the Atwater City Council since 2000, shows himself as another racist wingnut masquerading as a leader.<br /><br />http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/genInfo.php?locIndex=9828<br /><br />Median household income<br /><br />Local $37,344<br />National $41,994<br /><br />http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/educLevel.php?locIndex=9828<br /><br />BA or graduate degree<br /><br />Atwater 12.3%<br />US 24.4%<br /><br />http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/politicalInfo.php?locIndex=9828<br /><br />Presidential politics: Atwater is in Merced County, which supported George W. Bush in the last two presidential elections. According to unofficial vote totals for 2004, Bush received 29,968 votes and John Kerry received 22,403 votes.<br /><br />In the November 2000 election, Merced County narrowly supported Bush. Countywide, 26,102 people voted for Bush and 22,726 voted for Gore. Nader received 1,166 votes.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-68354326130465126222009-07-19T04:56:33.898-07:002009-07-19T04:56:33.898-07:00It's kind of hard to find out what party he is...It's kind of hard to find out what party he is in. But I did find one site that said he is a registered Democrat. If so, then he showing examples of "Left-Wing Racism Against Obama"dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.com