tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post7473329010957678276..comments2024-02-10T18:19:36.406-08:00Comments on Newspaper Rock: Indians came from Siberia?Robhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-49067406662218545192007-11-30T06:19:00.000-08:002007-11-30T06:19:00.000-08:00Wow, Rob, thanks for all the information!Wow, Rob, thanks for all the information!alanajolihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04987179031266452035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-21741913130681728562007-11-30T02:49:00.000-08:002007-11-30T02:49:00.000-08:00Here's a typical posting from someone who thinks E...Here's a typical posting from someone who thinks Europeans were here first. I haven't followed the situation closely enough to say whether his claims are valid or not. But I'm betting they aren't.<BR/><BR/>http://asatruupdate.blogspot.com/2007/10/kennewick-man-may-be-given-to-indian.html<BR/><BR/>Correspondent Wade Wofford used to do the Kennewick Man analyses for me, but he passed away. If someone reading this is an expert on Kennewick Man and Paleo-Indians, feel free to contact me. I may need your help someday. ;-)Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-71115207271795401152007-11-30T02:41:00.000-08:002007-11-30T02:41:00.000-08:00The fate of Kennewick Man is lost in the mists of ...The fate of Kennewick Man is lost in the mists of time--recent time. I had to look it up to see where it stands.<BR/><BR/>Apparently the case is still being adjudicated. Congress is thinking of amending NAGPRA to render the court case moot and cede the remains to the Indians.<BR/><BR/>For more information, see the following links. Also see <A HREF="http://www.bluecorncomics.com/kennwick.htm" REL="nofollow">Kennewick Man, Captain Picard, and Political Correctness</A>.<BR/><BR/>http://archaeoblog.blogspot.com/2007/02/kennewick-man-update-i-posted-earlier.html<BR/><BR/>Judge John Jelderks found that Kennewick Man cannot be defined as Native American under the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act.<BR/><BR/>http://lawlib.lclark.edu/blog/native_america/?p=581<BR/><BR/>The U.S. Senate Indian Affairs Committee has slipped a landmark change into a routine housekeeping bill that could affect the 9,300-year-old remains known as Kennewick Man.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-81598711384758819832007-11-29T07:28:00.000-08:002007-11-29T07:28:00.000-08:00Thanks Russ!Thanks Russ!alanajolihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04987179031266452035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-63993795785159345542007-11-28T23:06:00.000-08:002007-11-28T23:06:00.000-08:00Writerfella here -- The Kennewick Man 'controv...Writerfella here --<BR/> The Kennewick Man 'controversy' came out on the side of the scientists, who now ostensibly are free to continue their testing of the fossils and underwrite their claims to its authenticity. BUT --<BR/> There never will be 'rare earth' analyses made or revealed, except for ones that supposedly verify the age and racial identity of the Kennewick find. 'Rare earth' analyses are tests that reveal the exact geographic derivation of a given fossil simply because it lived, breathed, and ate in a unique environment of radioactive isotopes. Match the isotope content of a fossil and you know where it originated. And dollars will get you donuts that Kenneiwkc Man DID NOT ORIGINATE in what is now Oregon. And since anthropologists handle human fossils older than 12,500 years old EVERY DAY, then we know just how such a supposed Caucasian ancestor made it to Oregon.<BR/> And any European mutation evidence in modern Native DNA can only result from historic Viking infusions or much more recent intermixings, period.<BR/>All Best<BR/>Russ Bates<BR/>'writerfella'writerfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00111681906238053379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-28707032260609785712007-11-28T08:31:00.000-08:002007-11-28T08:31:00.000-08:00The Madoc story strikes me as kind of nifty--but e...The Madoc story strikes me as kind of nifty--but even if there's "fact" behind it, given that he's 12th century, bringing a small crew to the Americas (assuming some portion of them survived...) They're easily here well after the Americas are well and truly populated, and I highly doubt that such a small population would end up having genetic significance visible by eye by the time the 1800s roll around. ;) Great story, but a non-issue, since even white supremicists couldn't make a reasonable claim with it. (Not that white supremicists are known for being reasonable.) And it's definitely not a scientific claim.<BR/><BR/>How did the Kennewick Man controversy come out? I read a couple of the links, but they all look dated (most of it happened in 2000/2001, no?). What was the conclusion?alanajolihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04987179031266452035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-10012576000222386772007-11-28T08:09:00.000-08:002007-11-28T08:09:00.000-08:00Right, but I was thinking of scientific claims, no...Right, but I was thinking of scientific claims, not religious ones. If the Mormons believed their claims were based on scientific evidence, they were deluding themselves.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-66084106052473959262007-11-28T07:34:00.000-08:002007-11-28T07:34:00.000-08:00Predating the Jean Luc Kennewick controversy are s...Predating the Jean Luc Kennewick controversy are statements/beliefs by Mormons and others:<BR/><BR/>"I began to closely examine the text of the Book of Mormon. The Introduction to the book states that the principle ancestors of the American Indians are the Lamanites" from <A HREF="http://www.exmormon.org/whylft125.htm" REL="nofollow">"DNA Genealogies of American Indians and the Book of Mormon<BR/>"</A><BR/><BR/>Lamanites are from an area bordering the Red Sea in the ancient Holy Land. While not being Europeans, they would have been Caucasians, and I think this example is close enough to matter.<BR/><BR/>For something more specifically European, read also of <A HREF="http://home.att.net/~dana.olson/" REL="nofollow">Prince Madoc and the White Indians.</A>dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-412615516913425092007-11-28T04:39:00.000-08:002007-11-28T04:39:00.000-08:00The brouhaha about Natives possibly having a Europ...The brouhaha about Natives possibly having a European origin started with the <A HREF="http://www.bluecorncomics.com/kennwick.htm" REL="nofollow">Kennewick Man</A> controversy. Or rather it reached the public consciousness then, since I believe there were precursors. Since then, I've heard claims that some tribes are as much as 25% European genetically.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-3559226555333207932007-11-27T18:29:00.000-08:002007-11-27T18:29:00.000-08:00Rob, was that claim (European ancestry) also part ...Rob, was that claim (European ancestry) also part of a study? Or just propaganda of some kind?alanajolihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04987179031266452035noreply@blogger.com