tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post8019786679028679667..comments2024-02-10T18:19:36.406-08:00Comments on Newspaper Rock: More attacks on YoungbloodRobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-5043310968617159692007-04-20T12:38:00.000-07:002007-04-20T12:38:00.000-07:00I was going to use the obvious "stopped clock" ana...I was going to use the obvious "stopped clock" analogy myself, but I resisted. <BR/><BR/>We could label everything we do "self-serving," so that's no distinction. For instance, was Mother Teresa genuinely interested in helping people, or was she just trying to ensure her place in heaven?<BR/><BR/>I'll stick with my claim that Yeagley sometimes asks legitimate questions.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-66518475789746655822007-04-20T03:58:00.000-07:002007-04-20T03:58:00.000-07:00Writerfellahere -- writerfella sees the princi...Writerfellahere --<BR/> writerfella sees the principle you operate from, Rob. "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." But Yeagley NEVER does anything that does not benefit him personally. If he did, then there might be an argument that he raises an occasional 'legitimate' question. BUT -- given his record, is that really and truly likely? Ask yourself...<BR/>All Best<BR/>Russ Bates<BR/>'writerfella'writerfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00111681906238053379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-11151351270161229922007-04-20T02:37:00.000-07:002007-04-20T02:37:00.000-07:00Let's not demonize Yeagley too much. Whether he's...Let's not demonize Yeagley <I>too</I> much. Whether he's an Indian and a scholar or not, he sometimes raises legitimate questions. For instance, are casinos hurting Indians in general even while they help some Indians? In my <A HREF="http://www.bluecorncomics.com/yeagley.htm" REL="nofollow">critiques</A> of him, I usually shred his arguments more than the underlying questions.<BR/><BR/>Re "Would it make Rudy Youngblood any less Indian if he had (to use Yeagley's terminology) 'Negro' blood?" No. If Yeagley is saying Youngblood has too much "black blood" to make him an Indian, he's an idiot.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-33389258656490938062007-04-20T01:56:00.000-07:002007-04-20T01:56:00.000-07:00Writerfella here -- No, no, that last blogger ...Writerfella here --<BR/> No, no, that last blogger got it all wrong. Yeagley didn't act because he doesn't like Rudy Youngblood's looks. He acted because Comanche is the identity Yeagley selected to claim for himself and then along comes someone who just might be more important in such an identity than he! By casting aspersions on that other person's identity, Yeagley deflects attention away from the controversy surrounding his own identity and so he can relax somewhat. It is a tempest in a stewpot...<BR/>All Best<BR/>Russ Bates<BR/>'writerfella'writerfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00111681906238053379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-55014387828318092612007-04-19T13:11:00.000-07:002007-04-19T13:11:00.000-07:00As a White European, who more or less stumbled ove...As a White European, who more or less stumbled over this case, am more than once lost here.<BR/><BR/>The quoted Mark Reed, chairman and national representative for American Indians in Film and Television said: "When you become a public figure as an actor, then the public owns you, and you need to dispel these kinds of rumors and charges because it has a great impact on the rest of the Indians.” <BR/><BR/>That is beyond my grasp. So anybody who has access to a computer and the Internet like Yeagley can come and shed doubt on any public figure's ancestry and WITH CREDIBILITY, for that, just because the target of his bile is a "public figure"? <BR/><BR/>Just who is this Yeagley? He has a doctorate in musicology and a B.A. in divinity and runs the website badeagle.com. The website (Site Meter data as of April 12) clocks up an average daily visitor count of 317. The Google link-count for his blog yields 111 hits, for the entire site 1010 hits. The Technorati rank of the blog Badeagle Journal is, as I am writing this, 136,683.<BR/><BR/>(For example, this blog is rating as number 169,743 at Technorati and clocks up 393 Google link-hits.) <BR/><BR/>The only kudos (however controversial) this self-appointed pundit can boast is the fact that he gets published at FrontPage, but even they, who are not squeamish and have previously published gems by Yeagley like "These days the white woman is expected to humble herself before the darkie", have refused to publish at least some of his writings. (Links can be provided.)<BR/><BR/>I may be wrong, but I think that the blatant, shameless racism of the controversy Yeagley has introduced, without authority and with even less provocation, save the fact that he doesn't like Youngblood's looks (and, we can safely assume, the fact that such a controversy gets him some attention) does a disservice to everybody involved.<BR/><BR/>One more thing: Would it make Rudy Youngblood any less Indian if he had (to use Yeagley's terminology) "Negro" blood? Does Indian blood only mix with White blood? (I am not American. My question is genuine, not polemic.) Isn't the whole pondering on Youngblood's "Negro" ancestry racist? This is neither rhetoric nor polemic. I am asking seriously.The_Editrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07529769143608862966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-85751345314712944452007-04-19T00:55:00.000-07:002007-04-19T00:55:00.000-07:00There are several possibilities regarding Youngblo...There are several possibilities regarding Youngblood. He's enrolled in a tribe but hasn't proved it yet. He's not enrolled but has (blood) relatives who were or are tribal members and can document it. He has ancestors somewhere in the past who he believes were Indians, but he can't identify them. (This would make him analogous to the typical Latino.) Or he has no Indian ancestors.<BR/><BR/>In the first two cases, I think most people would agree he's an Indian. In the third case things get sticky, and you have to sift through the claims of people like Ward Churchill and <A HREF="http://www.bluecorncomics.com/chakotay.htm" REL="nofollow">Robert Beltran</A>. Only the fourth case is relatively clearcut (although I add the perennial caveat that a tribe could enroll a non-Indian if it wanted to).<BR/><BR/>Youngblood is causing himself grief whenever he doesn't give a clear answer on the subject, just as Churchill did. If I were them, I'd answer the questions and thus end the controversy. Indians whose backgrounds are mixed don't lose credibility if they're upfront about it.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-69735016515709188452007-04-19T00:37:00.000-07:002007-04-19T00:37:00.000-07:00Russ, are you also upset because Marion Morrison c...Russ, are you also upset because Marion Morrison called himself "John Wayne" to sound more manly and American? Do you ignore his chosen name and refer to him only by his given name? Why not, since his situation is similar to Geiogamah's?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-78644504025127037602007-04-18T13:47:00.000-07:002007-04-18T13:47:00.000-07:00Rudy "Gonzales" went on record stating that his "a...Rudy "Gonzales" went on record stating that his "ancestors fought and died at Wounded Knee". This would make him Lakota as well. What Lakota tribe is he enrolled with?<BR/><BR/>Rudy really needs to think before he opens his mouth, he appears to be isolating himself from the Native community by repeatedly making erroneous statements about his "Indianness".<BR/><BR/>Rudy looks Mexican to me.L.GLADUEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12355116342389818150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-65779623679503645742007-04-18T01:49:00.000-07:002007-04-18T01:49:00.000-07:00Writerfella here -- Go ahead, call yourself 'H...Writerfella here --<BR/> Go ahead, call yourself 'Hanay' and he himself will come looking for you, if only because you have the potential of taking away the opportunistic employment he has established as his own in the film and TV industry. But then again, who woul hire anyone named 'Hanay Schmidt'? <BR/>All Best<BR/>Russ Bates<BR/>'writerfella'writerfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00111681906238053379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-28449289235774724862007-04-17T05:15:00.000-07:002007-04-17T05:15:00.000-07:00I could call myself "Hanay" without knowing what i...I could call myself "Hanay" without knowing what it means, so your point is irrelevant. The only question is whether he's misrepresenting himself, and you haven't provided any evidence of that.<BR/><BR/>You abandoned your sideline because Saginaw Grant kept beating you out for roles, so now you're jealous of the success of Skyhawk, Reed, and Geiogamah. That's one theory, at least.<BR/><BR/>Re "Natives know who are Native and they also know who are not": Some Natives can actually articulate who's Native and who's not, and why. Too bad you can't.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-62705320088988619822007-04-15T02:01:00.000-07:002007-04-15T02:01:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07560867075792637963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-31699104344798316742007-04-15T01:59:00.000-07:002007-04-15T01:59:00.000-07:00Rudy, what's the number of your CDIB card?Rudy, what's the number of your CDIB card?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07560867075792637963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-91734096425435844952007-04-14T02:15:00.000-07:002007-04-14T02:15:00.000-07:00If Geiogamah chooses to call himself "Hanay," that...If Geiogamah chooses to call himself "Hanay," that's his name by definition. If it helps, think of it as a nickname. We call President Clinton "Bill" rather than "William" because that's the name he's chosen to go by. Geiogamah's situation is the same thing.<BR/><BR/>I didn't say any of these people is trustworthy. I said they're getting jobs in Hollywood and you're not.<BR/><BR/>If you send me the text of those articles, I'll probably post them.<BR/><BR/>According to an e-mail I got from Reed, the acronym for his organization is AIFTV.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-49057069897830427142007-04-13T14:58:00.000-07:002007-04-13T14:58:00.000-07:00I don't criticize Native flaws and shortcomings be...I don't criticize Native flaws and shortcomings because I'm jealous. For instance, I joined in the chorus of people criticizing Ward Churchill for failing to document his Indian ancestry. We didn't criticize him because we were jealous of his fame (or infamy). The same applies in this case. <BR/><BR/>Reed stated the problem with Youngblood's vagueness:<BR/><BR/>"If there's a controversy that goes on every time they hire an American Indian when the community comes out and says he's not an Indian...[casting directors] say, 'Look, we don't want to take the time or energy to deal with that.' They'd rather cast somebody else."<BR/><BR/>Whether you agree with this position or not, it's a plausible reason for raising the issue. Why don't you address the issue itself rather than trying to divine Reed's intent? I.e., rather than attacking him personally?<BR/><BR/>Ironically, you sound like you harbor the same resentment you attribute to them. Reed, Skyhawk, and Hanay Geiogamah keep getting writing or acting or consulting jobs in Hollywood while you're left reminiscing about your days on the set of <I>Porky's 2</I>. Boo-hoo.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, the organization is called American Indians in Film and Television. The acronym would be AIFTV or AIIFATV, not NAIF, so there's no clever pun here.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.com