tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post8801454242103187228..comments2024-02-10T18:19:36.406-08:00Comments on Newspaper Rock: Debating Alesandra Nicole's backgroundRobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-39919323804441894162015-05-30T17:30:07.930-07:002015-05-30T17:30:07.930-07:00I know this girl. She is NOT native at all. Just t...I know this girl. She is NOT native at all. Just trying to be cool. She likes to act black too. She is just a full of herself loser trying to be relevant Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-52944843012193159782011-12-11T13:39:35.241-08:002011-12-11T13:39:35.241-08:00That's a good point. To some degree having num...That's a good point. To some degree having numbers is important, considering the ongoing genocide against natives. Preserving, maintaining, and growing Native culture is fundamental, too.<br /><br />I think the idea of having a "tribal citizenship test" might be a useful idea to balance out blood quantum rules - it would hopefully encourage more cultural engagement and interest. And perhaps to some degree it might allow "immigration" (as opposed to cultural invasion/appropriation) of people with lesser blood or even no blood. I realize that this idea might be unpopular with some, because I've read people that will claim blood is the only standard, even to the point of saying that less than 100% is nothing at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-54886975260192914322011-12-09T23:41:12.855-08:002011-12-09T23:41:12.855-08:00What about Indians who don't engage meaningful...What about Indians who don't engage meaningfully in tribal life, you ask? I'd say the tribe's decision, more than the people's genetic heritage, trumps their lack of social involvement. If the tribe wants them as members even if they don't participate, it's the tribe's right.<br /><br />It wouldn't bother me if tribes devised cultural and language tests for membership. And kicked out people, even those with enough "blood," who didn't qualify. Then some who <i>were</i> Indians would become non-Indians.<br /><br />A good case of what you're talking about is Sam Bradford, the Cherokee quarterback. He's only 1/16 Cherokee and has little knowledge of his heritage. But he counts because he's enrolled. If he were disenrolled for some reason, though, I'd be happy to say he was no longer an Indian.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-70586710097539486092011-12-08T15:36:35.859-08:002011-12-08T15:36:35.859-08:00Also, I want to thank you for your patient and tho...Also, I want to thank you for your patient and thoughtful responses, especially since I perhaps have been a bit off-topic. I appreciate your writing ever since finding it while trying to explain to people what is offensive about celebrating Columbus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-86143879293120932452011-12-08T15:07:14.128-08:002011-12-08T15:07:14.128-08:00So, engaging "Indianness" as a social co...So, engaging "Indianness" as a social construct basically? How does this apply to those who can claim "Blood" (perhaps even fully) or enrollment, but don't meaningfully engage in tribal life in anyway? Does their genetic heritage trump their lack social involvement?<br /><br />This is something I'm wrestling with, as fairly thin-blooded, but accepted locally as native by my native friends, though I don't participate in tribal life locally (it's not the tribe that my ancestry hails from), while I make efforts at being informed on the history of my tribe (which I was involved with somewhat as a child, though I don't know if that counts?) and plan on being involved if I return home.<br /><br />I also don't feel comfortable/accepted with/by white culture, so I'm not really sure I have an ethnic identity at all.<br /><br />On the other hand, I have other peers who are tribally enrolled, but whose knowledge of "Indianness" seems to be based off of cultural stereotypes.<br /><br />Maybe I'm not much of an native, but native philosophies (largely from writing, such as Deloria and LaDuke) have helped shape my thinking/worldview, so is it at least fair to claim that it is part of my heritage and life?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-6734977796426538242011-12-08T01:27:58.986-08:002011-12-08T01:27:58.986-08:00I'd say my position boils down to this: India...I'd say my position boils down to this: Indians should have the "blood" or the culture or both. Enough of it, anyway, to pass some ill-defined standard.<br /><br />As I've said many times, the amount of Indian "blood" (or DNA) doesn't matter by itself. A pure white or black can be adopted into a tribe and become an Indian.<br /><br />"Blood" is really a proxy for culture. I suspect many tribes have set a limit of one-quarter blood because it means the person is connected to a full-blooded grandparent. That means the person has learned the culture, or can learn it, from an experienced member.<br /><br />"Culture" means knowing the tribe's history, language, ceremonies, and other cultural lore. You can learn this by growing up in the culture, or by studying it extensively as an adult. You can't learn it by hearing an old story or two over the dinner table.<br /><br />We don't know what Alesandra Nicole meant when she said her family is from Pamunkey. That's why I'm just guessing. My guess is that she has neither the blood nor the culture to qualify as an Indian. At least in many Indians' minds.<br /><br />By the same token, I'm ruling out Johnny Depp, Taylor Lautner, and the other people I've criticized. But it's not just because of their "thin" blood. If they were enrolled in a tribe, or knew a tribal culture well enough to satisfy their peers, they could be Indians. And I'd accept them as such.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-80713264591221510852011-12-06T21:08:10.202-08:002011-12-06T21:08:10.202-08:00I hope this doesn't seem like trolling, by the...I hope this doesn't seem like trolling, by the way, it just seems like sometimes blood quantum is of greater or lesser importance in what you write about it, as in: http://newspaperrock.bluecorncomics.com/2008/11/actual-indian-defined.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-36950895000075006122011-12-06T20:04:58.871-08:002011-12-06T20:04:58.871-08:00How does this square with this? http://newspaperro...How does this square with this? http://newspaperrock.bluecorncomics.com/2011/06/minimal-bloods-greedy-white-people.html<br /><br />I'm not trying to necessarily paint a dichotomy between the two, but I am curious what the continuum is here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com