tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post8881731400949689216..comments2024-02-10T18:19:36.406-08:00Comments on Newspaper Rock: Okay to stereotype in "satires"?Robhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-65240824443568420132010-05-19T16:21:24.439-07:002010-05-19T16:21:24.439-07:00Nihonjin actually means "Japan-man" or s...Nihonjin actually means "Japan-man" or someone from Japan. They speak Japanese. Why, I don't know. <i>South Park</i>'s knowledge of Khalkha is less than perfect either.<br /><br />Obscure language means people are going to use what they know instead of the actual language.<br /><br />As for the stereotypes, I really don't want to be Isaac Hayes, laughing until they make fun of me.<br /><br />Tom: You could consider <i>Blazing Saddles</i> to be a Take That at Mormons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-84987013917221371942010-05-18T21:19:02.796-07:002010-05-18T21:19:02.796-07:00Kaipo. The ESL part sounds very interesting. Would...Kaipo. The ESL part sounds very interesting. Would it be possible to contact you by email?dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-37330808426953367062010-05-18T20:15:53.852-07:002010-05-18T20:15:53.852-07:00I teach ESL. I once asked my students, "What ...I teach ESL. I once asked my students, "What do you know about Native Americans?" A Japanese engineering Master's degree student said, "They all died."<br /><br />A Taiwanese woman pursuing her Master's degree believed the feather grew out of their heads, as they were part animal.<br /><br />It was terrifying.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17287813426163195332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-85024523102453810022010-05-18T19:49:17.705-07:002010-05-18T19:49:17.705-07:00OK. But what is your take on Mel Brooks' Yiddi...OK. But what is your take on Mel Brooks' Yiddish-speaking tribe in <i>Blazing Saddles? </i>Tom Cotrelhttp://tcotrel.tripod.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-31856552395712651322010-05-18T11:39:37.905-07:002010-05-18T11:39:37.905-07:00Rob, Stephen: In light of the Findian thing, I fin...Rob, Stephen: In light of the Findian thing, I find the Japanese element of the "Cannibal!" project to be more overwhelmed by blatantly stereotypical elements than I did before. Not that I thought it was a terribly witty idea to begin with.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-39531715883444550042010-05-18T08:23:41.740-07:002010-05-18T08:23:41.740-07:00I believe Trey Parker original intent was to mock ...I believe Trey Parker original intent was to mock HOLLYWOOD. I'm not going give to give him a pass on this one. But I believe he also mocked the Japs in this "Cannibal" stint by what Rob referred to them as in the racist epithet--mongaloids. Rob goes on to laugh, pretending that isn't funny. In my opinion, I believed the Japs were fooled in this one. Since they agreed to partake that they saw themselves as Mongaloids. By "reinforcing" that racist epithet. But the original intent of "Cannibal" was to attack Hollywood for their lack of inclusion of true and authentic Natives in mainstream Hollywood films. <br /><br />~GENO~Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-88120238422336182862010-05-18T08:02:20.285-07:002010-05-18T08:02:20.285-07:00...and don't forget, we are all adults debatin......and don't forget, we are all adults debating this.<br /><br />If there is one thing I've learned over the past few months it is this- I'm an adult and I understand the nuances of stereotypes, cliches, and even satire.<br /><br />But what about the kids?<br /><br />That's the part that scares me. Between High School Indian mascots, Thanksgiving pageants, cartoon caricatures, and the "Findians" on MTV, these are all directed at the K-12 set! Which is also the group of people who lack the maturity and psychological development to separate fact from fiction, historical from modern, savage from average!<br /><br />dmarks- you are an adult and may see the Findians and other Indian uses as satire. But do young people?<br /><br />(and if not satire, then what?)Stephen Bridenstinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02709883498078367644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-82446217996529066572010-05-18T06:00:53.261-07:002010-05-18T06:00:53.261-07:00"As I've said many times, we judge a raci..."As I've said many times, we judge a racist act by its results, not by the perpetrator's thought processes."<br /><br />Rob- I think I'm going with you on this one. (and not because this is your blog)<br /><br />You could pick apart and argue over all these individual cases but as I always remind myself- individual examples do not necessarily produce stereotypical thoughts.<br /><br />It is the cumulative effect of 500 years of these cliches, misconceptions, and stereotypes combined with such little education and awareness on the other side that creates our present conundrum.<br /><br />In our minds, images last much longer than any humor or positive meaning. Therefore, in the end, the stereotypes get the last laugh while any humor, satire, or good will fade away.Stephen Bridenstinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02709883498078367644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-7325834541493525762010-05-18T03:07:55.495-07:002010-05-18T03:07:55.495-07:00I think it's possible to use stereotypes in a ...I think it's possible to use stereotypes in a way that mocks them without reinforcing them. But it requires a subtle grasp of the issues. Only a tiny minority of people can do it and do it right. The vast majority will do it wrong or make a muddled mess of it.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-36832500969224888522010-05-18T02:59:30.032-07:002010-05-18T02:59:30.032-07:00Also, you said " Son of the Beach episode bac...Also, you said " Son of the Beach episode back in 2000. .... but it was an uncomfortable mess. Half the time it mocked Native stereotypes and half the time it was used and reinforced these stereotypes."<br /><br />That is probably the case for the Trey Parker "Japanese Indian" thing also.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-57058022737680545612010-05-18T02:57:19.297-07:002010-05-18T02:57:19.297-07:00I'm addressing at least two problems here: 1)...I'm addressing at least two problems here: 1) the standard Plains stereotypes and 2) the standard "non-Native as Native" casting issues. Both are wrong, and "satirizing" isn't a legitimate excuse for either one.<br /><br />I went on about this at length because we constantly hear people excuse racism and stereotyping as "satirical," "ironic," or "humorous." I trust I've demolished these excuses once and for all.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-8033834028143641492010-05-18T02:49:44.945-07:002010-05-18T02:49:44.945-07:00Wow. You got a bee in your bonnet on this one! I w...Wow. You got a bee in your bonnet on this one! I was merely referring to the Japanese element as not being stereotypical. Making something Japanese is not specifically denigrating (as say, compared to making Indians into gophers!). Nor is it a stereotype: you have tried, true, and tired stereotypes of Plains Indians, princesses, warriors, etc... but none have anything to do with the Japanese.<br /><br />"What's the difference between, say, Dudley Do-Right's "Kumquat Indians" and Parker's Japanese "Indians"? Tell me why some stereotypical "Indians" are offensive but others aren't."<br /><br />To answer this, look at the first sentence of your post. You refer to the Parker Indians as being "stereotypical Plains Indians". This is probably what makes them as bad as the Kumquats and others. Not the Japanese name thing specifically.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.com