tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post298016091531440000..comments2024-02-10T18:19:36.406-08:00Comments on Newspaper Rock: Jenner responds to "Indian giver" controversyRobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-67139345269877966392011-11-14T23:49:47.357-08:002011-11-14T23:49:47.357-08:00Thanks Anonymous
Unfortunately it is like that in ...Thanks Anonymous<br />Unfortunately it is like that in New Zealand regarding racism against Maori. Many New Zealanders are appalled at the racism leveled at Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals but don't see how their own attitudes towards Maori are just as bad. =(<br /><br />Many here also have a bad case of "We weren't here first itis".<br /><br />In the early 90s a Maori leader made a statement along the lines of "if you think racism against Maori is bad when we are poor and disempowered then wait until we are in a position of power". I believe this is true, it seems the more powerful Maori become politically (and rightfully so) then the uglier the racist backlish agaisnt them is.<br /><br />Maori are 15% of our population which means a stronger voice politically and a stronger presence than indigenous in the States and Oz. In this age of social networking, as Native American voices get stronger (and I believe they will) then, unfortunately, the backlash will too. I hold fast to the hope that after this ugly backlash, racists will learn that eliminating privilege and learning to actively listen and respect other cultures and languages isn't scary and is for the betterment of everyone everywhere.Jainehttp://www.alivenotdead.com/jainenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-60021745572139148772011-11-14T13:04:34.348-08:002011-11-14T13:04:34.348-08:00Jaine, yes unfortunately
"the Indian Chief o...Jaine, yes unfortunately<br /><br />"the Indian Chief one" is one of the many things that is different in American. I checked your page out, your support of the Maori in your nation is so important. <br /><br />but again yes, here in the US is where we face the greatest racism here, in Europe (especially Germany, and Austria) but also elsewhere, and people like you in New Zealand, are much more informed that the people here. The Navajo rug fair that is going on here now in Utah, filled with International dignitaries from all over the world, the western European block, and of course Sweden, Holland, etc. They travelled so far, but anyone who's not a local from the US, not a one...it's very different.<br /><br />I think it's because, on a subconcious or concious level, the whole idea of us being the one race, when one is ignorant, that those who have that mindset cannot tell to "go home" and we are here already, don't like to feel like they are visitors in what they have always known as home for themselves. The entire concept that this land was taken with blunt, blood force, and the people who live here now, still, are still here, makes them more than a little bit uncomfortable. I'm not asking anyone to feel guilty for the past, or something they didn't do personally, but I d$@m well do want accountability for anyone who is racist in the present day!!! <br /><br />Quoting Blackfire from 'Silence is a Weapon' song, "did you think we would just go away?" Some of these people think their lives would be easier for them if we did. <br /><br />Too bad. We're not, and anywhere that a person lives, but Kim wore a burka in Dubai, with her own middle eastern people, she had enough respect to do that, but here in the US, they act like own the place, they wish they did. But too bad, no one does!!! lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-75928472971740439792011-11-14T12:50:15.806-08:002011-11-14T12:50:15.806-08:00I'm glad a lot of people aren't affected b...I'm glad a lot of people aren't affected by her comments, but something led you here to this blog...unfortunately a lot of our own Native kids are or have been watching this drivel, and with all the producers out there peddling a potential opportunity for fame "like the Kardashians" to be the next "Kardashian", our models, our kids, our young ones are affected...it's not about halloween, it's about how it's time for all mascots, non-sense and for the US view of our people to be more than just a side show, so they can go to school in peace without being told by their friends that some Kardashian wore a costume, and is she Native too? <br /><br />I guess most people posting that they are "cool" with it and that should make it o.k. for everyone else, it's clearly, in my opinion, people who don't have kids, or small young ones in their lives. Espcially ones who aren't surrounded by other Natives, but live the 1% life, where they are the very small minority where they live and in their schools, except for their immediate family, which is unfortunately, the majority of our kids experience in reality (pun intended).<br /><br />I agree with the comment above.<br /><br />copy<br />"the worst thing that happens to us as a community when we fight each other...that's the biggest enemy we face."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-43857439891149707492011-11-13T20:41:32.967-08:002011-11-13T20:41:32.967-08:00dmarks, that must be an American version, the one ...dmarks, that must be an American version, the one I know goes:<br /><br />Tinker, Tailor,<br />Soldier, Sailor,<br />Rich Man, Poor Man,<br />Beggar Man, Thief.<br /><br />Never heard the Indian Chief one.Jainehttp://www.alivenotdead.com/Jainenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-32033537308017448232011-11-12T21:55:03.604-08:002011-11-12T21:55:03.604-08:00If a person is so hurt by Kris Jenners thoughts or...If a person is so hurt by Kris Jenners thoughts or opinnions then that person is in for a very sad life. Real Natives have nothing to prove. We know who we are. And harmless comments made by strangers won't affect us. Get over it. And as for the costumes, I guess all the Native children I see dressed a ninjas, samurai, Italian mobsters, European princesses and knights and monks should be banned as well. I KNOW! Let's just ban halloween altogether. That way no one can have fun. No costumes, no jokes and soon no talking or breathing! Good luck...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-84664449425394312652011-11-12T05:32:32.186-08:002011-11-12T05:32:32.186-08:00While most might say, "Okay now, lets all cal...While most might say, "Okay now, lets all calm down and stop being so sensitive about racial remarks involving Indians", somewhere in America, a native(s) are getting harrassed by a cop, thug, employer, church minister, teacher, judge, etc., and some non-native is tying down a headdress with feathers getting ready to do a dance that invites scorn and ridicule. Ultimately and unfortunately, blood gets spilled and maybe even an Indian gets killed AGAIN?(yawn)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-86847015795258189612011-11-12T04:30:00.589-08:002011-11-12T04:30:00.589-08:00Jaine asked: "Why do people always think prof...Jaine asked: "Why do people always think professions are comparable with race"<br /><br /><br />Rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief.<br />Doctor lawyer, Indian chief.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-76596591570483621642011-11-11T20:33:21.234-08:002011-11-11T20:33:21.234-08:00Stunned at some of the ignorant comments in this t...Stunned at some of the ignorant comments in this thread.<br />seriously<br /><br />Why do people always think professions are comparable with race, let alone think they can tell another race how to think, act and feel?<br /><br />At the end of the day; that many people find this offensive is reason enough to not do it. Have some respect.Jainehttp://www.alivenotdead.com/jainenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-82209456570110405592011-11-11T01:31:17.832-08:002011-11-11T01:31:17.832-08:00"Go on Facebook to see all of the girls dress..."Go on Facebook to see all of the girls dressing up on Halloween and give them a hard time about their costume."<br /><br />The parents should be ashamed.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-65149137653908610832011-11-10T21:55:22.147-08:002011-11-10T21:55:22.147-08:00finish my comment and saw the nurse one? what? A...finish my comment and saw the nurse one? what? Answer..there is no such thing as being born a nurse, being a baby nurse, a child nurse, a teenage nurse...get it yet??? probably not, unfortunately. Nurses don't have Sovereign Nations on this land, that's a choice, being a nurse or anything that is something someone chooses is exactly that, but one's ancestry, how they look, are treated and viewed from birth just because of it? Wow, the duh factor is really kicking in there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-11453704238106123242011-11-10T21:50:44.947-08:002011-11-10T21:50:44.947-08:00She didn't try to make it right, seems very cl...She didn't try to make it right, seems very clear from the time (24 hours later) she got called out on it and caught off guard...thinking she was responding to a teeny bopper fan...like above a potential lemming, there's even an attempted scolding in there from her and some shock at the beginning that the girl can write or something, seriously, is that an assumption of surprise because she's Native? Call me pc on calling that out...looks wrong to me...looks like exactly what it is a dash off email from her phone, with only one (maybe two) thoughts in her head, Kim's image (what is with bringing that up out of nowhere in her response email??)<br /><br />Ms., Miss? Ryan even wrote that no one is perfect ,etc. it's right up there, I don't get some of these comments where people didn't read what it is they're commenting on?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-24601955471206672532011-11-10T21:49:50.646-08:002011-11-10T21:49:50.646-08:00I don't understand: dressing up as a nurse is ...I don't understand: dressing up as a nurse is offensive for nurses? Dressing up as Lady Gaga is offensive to lady gaga?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-77982854167177220872011-11-10T21:26:16.749-08:002011-11-10T21:26:16.749-08:00People have become way too sensitive to comments p...People have become way too sensitive to comments people make. People say things on the spot, and yes, sometimes it comes across as completely hurtful and ignorant, but aren't we all guilty of it at one point or another? Secluding a small portion of the population from being able to make this mistake because they are in "the public eye" is completely ridiculous. Was her comment offensive? Of course. Did she try to make it right? I think so! She responded what seemed to be almost instantaneously apologizing for her careless remarks. I would rather an immediate response than a fake, made-through-a-publicist, half assed apology.<br /><br />As for the costume thing? People need to get over it. There is nothing disrespectful about dressing up as Pocahontas. Go on Facebook to see all of the girls dressing up on Halloween and give them a hard time about their costume. We have to own the statements we make, but we have to forgive when a moment gets the best of us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-54751141509870797942011-11-10T18:23:13.134-08:002011-11-10T18:23:13.134-08:00The much greater issues for our community are dire...The much greater issues for our community are directly addressed in the communication (in this case an email) and is the point for it being sent actually...get rid of the nonsense from the "trending now" sections of the Internet, so when our community does speak and work on VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES, there's room to be heard.<br /><br />Oklahoma<br /><br /><br />Maybe look up her work, and you'd know the things she's worked on, especially environmental activism. Our community is a small, on the sites on her links page there's some cultural work with our biggest leaders. Off handed comments happen, but we are a community, and I like to check things out first before commenting ideally.<br /><br />I hope we're viewed for our public voice on whatever we work on without being dismissed, I think when our community is so easily dissed and dismissed in the US by a non-reality tv person, that's a bad sign...so it's not your cup of tea maybe...the worst thing that happens to us as a community when we fight each other...that's the biggest enemy we face.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-49917719758174885052011-11-10T18:14:48.892-08:002011-11-10T18:14:48.892-08:00Lemming alert...can't decide if they're in...Lemming alert...can't decide if they're informed and we're "Native American" "First Nations" or "Indigenous" and uses semantics to get really specific, tells our community what we should feel, "thinks" she's sincere, guarantee you above commenter never talked to her at all, ever. <br /><br />Talk about being two faced, you aren't "Indians" from India, so the comment doesn't apply to you, THEN, it's all too PC, what??? lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-62838753154149505692011-11-10T18:10:36.804-08:002011-11-10T18:10:36.804-08:00everyone just needs to calm down
this is one thoug...everyone just needs to calm down<br />this is one thoughtless comment that has been taken to such huge extremities. why not focus on the alberta tar sands in reference to native people? so much more immediate work needs to happen thereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-38259466191711705012011-11-10T17:42:43.062-08:002011-11-10T17:42:43.062-08:00I think people are way too politically correct the...I think people are way too politically correct these days and overly sensitive. I think the "indian giver" comment was beyond ridiculous on Jenner's part and displays ignorance. But getting upset over the costumes is over the top. It's pretty obvious when people of non-aborignal descent dress up in costume, they aren't intentionally trying to hurt anyone. And I don't see why it would. Third, you're not Indian. You're First nations, Aboriginals, etc. I'm so tired of hearing the word "Indian" misused. It should only refer to people from India. Columbus was a bonehead and thought he was in India when he "discovered" America, hence the incorrect term of "Indians" placed upon First Nations people. <br /><br />Anyway, I think Jenner's apology was sincere. Get over it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-71225882857780140272011-11-10T13:50:41.605-08:002011-11-10T13:50:41.605-08:00I emailed this to jezebel.com and they just posted...I emailed this to jezebel.com and they just posted it with a link to your site!Prufrockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03682733961290831134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-70945506195027842582011-11-10T12:56:15.077-08:002011-11-10T12:56:15.077-08:00Trying to get a cohesive thought out of a reality ...Trying to get a cohesive thought out of a reality star might be asking too much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-78042257504032902002011-11-10T07:26:22.046-08:002011-11-10T07:26:22.046-08:00just daft in anything that's not scripted I gu...just daft in anything that's not scripted I guessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-55386891110730868942011-11-10T07:24:34.049-08:002011-11-10T07:24:34.049-08:00The randomness of Mama Jenner's response at th...The randomness of Mama Jenner's response at the bottom with the derogatory tone, and out of the blue rant about Kim's marriage is weird.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-85776765157619327312011-11-09T19:29:23.593-08:002011-11-09T19:29:23.593-08:00Jenner's response was babble.
Tara at least ha...Jenner's response was babble.<br />Tara at least had a cohesive thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com