tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post3280420488387240661..comments2024-02-10T18:19:36.406-08:00Comments on Newspaper Rock: Controversy in Wounded KneeRobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-64856064407758608842009-06-08T08:08:33.378-07:002009-06-08T08:08:33.378-07:00Apparently you didn't understand the point of ...Apparently you didn't understand the point of this posting, Anonymous and Stephen. To learn what it was, see <a href="http://www.bluecorncomics.com/2009/06/purpose-of-wounded-knee-posting.html" rel="nofollow">Purpose of <i>Wounded Knee</i> Posting</a>.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-61491980537873201842009-05-27T12:06:26.139-07:002009-05-27T12:06:26.139-07:00> AIMsters couldn't care less about
> th...> AIMsters couldn't care less about<br />> their people, they're too busy<br />> making movies or selling shite<br />> books<br /><br />I am an AIMster. I serve my community to the best of my ability. Please tell me how these statements apply to me. <br /><br />These sort of general statements that are continually made by Stephen are made out of anger, fear, helplessness, racism and ignorance. His commentary is contemptible and repugnant. His analysis is puerile, shortsighted and reactionary.<br /><br />American Indian Mafia is written by an FBI agent. It is unabashed US Government propaganda. It reveals as much "truth" about Indian/US relations as our high school history books did (and continue to). <br /><br />Although I was only a year old in 1973, I know many people who were there. I have heard many, many first-hand accounts of those events from people with nothing to gain from their recollections. None have been completely positive or negative. Just real. <br /><br />From all these discussions, Melvin Martin's comments seem to be the only reasonable ones, whether I agree with his deeper analysis or not. <br /><br />I would only suggest to readers of this blog that care be taken to differentiate analysis based on information gathered from political or commercial sources vs information from more down-to-earth and otherwise-invested sources.gaZelbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17091242140761349678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-53958788730691833092009-05-20T21:10:26.576-07:002009-05-20T21:10:26.576-07:00I am going to expand upon this comment in a stand ...I am going to expand upon this comment in a stand alone essay.<br /><br />MelvinMelvin Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-10493589619443948362009-05-20T14:46:36.886-07:002009-05-20T14:46:36.886-07:00Well put Melvin, AIMsters couldn't care less about...Well put Melvin, AIMsters couldn't care less about their people, they're too busy making movies or selling shite books. Also as Giago (who I find to be admirable unlike the AIM leaders) points out the AIM violence made Pine Ridge even worse since it scared away potential investers and developers.Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-70945731816209375262009-05-19T22:00:28.736-07:002009-05-19T22:00:28.736-07:00The Bottom Line
As an enrolled member of the Ogla...The Bottom Line<br /><br />As an enrolled member of the Oglala Sioux Tribe of Pine Ridge Agency (and one who has been considered an elder for the past six years), the bottom line regarding WKII is this: did the over-all quality of life improve for our people after the takeover?<br /><br />My answer to this question is an unequivocal NO!<br /><br />In 1974, before leaving for college on the GI Bill, I took a photo of the "downtown" Pine Ridge area--I came back in 2004 and aside from a Pizza Hut and a "Taco John's," the scenery was absolutely unchanged. This pic is a powerful metaphor to me of the extreme dysfunction of the tribe and especially of the tribal leadership.<br /><br />There were a few notable changes--there were more Chicano-oriented Oglala gangbangers, more unwed teen mothers, more packs of roving dogs, more filth, more garbage, more grafitti, more general physical decay and much, much more sheer poverty than ever before.<br /><br />There were more fat people, more sick people, more crippled people, more homeless people, more mentally broken people and much, much more of the same old leaches and parasites bloated with the riches of years and years of privately accumulated wealth made via nepotism, favoritism, sweetheart deals and pay-offs.<br /><br />The full-bloods were noticeably a lot less in number and the majority of the Oglala youth were of mixed racial identities, mainly Hispanic, white and African-American.<br /><br />What I saw was what I saw--and the proof was definitely in the pudding--nothing much had changed since 1973 and many aspects of life for the Oglala people had simply deteriorated horribly with or without WKII.Melvin Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-13879214706213862902009-05-19T21:19:34.163-07:002009-05-19T21:19:34.163-07:00"It's true Wounded Knee says nothing about the tow..."It's true Wounded Knee says nothing about the town being devastated or in shambles. But this press release doesn't tell us much either. Exactly how much property was "devastated?"<br /><br />More than a few families were left homeless so I'd see the answer is a tad obvious. (As Trimbach correctly points out the government deserves scorn for not compensating the villagers.)<br /><br />"Were these wanton acts of destruction or the inevitable results of housing an occupying army for 71 days?"<br /><br />AIM hardly qualifies as an army; it's absurd to call them that. What gave them the right to occupy a village? As one Lakota elder said "all they did was smoke dope and make the women pull their pants down." Not exactly an army.<br /><br />"Were the victims innocent villagers or GOON squad members who harassed and intimidated innocent villagers?"<br /><br />I'd say the victims were the villagers, also prove these socalled goons harrassed them. Interesting that you don't condemn AIM for their actions or supporting the PLO.<br /><br />"the other offers anti-occupation propaganda."<br /><br />The <br /><br />"Wounded Knee says the protesters "stripped" the Gildersleeves' store, but doesn't say why."<br /><br />Why? Are you really that dense? The reason's obvious for the same reason that <br /><br />"It avoids more inflammatory words such as "robbed" or "pillaged."<br /><br />Those words fit like a glove.<br /><br />"If they "stripped" the store to feed their people"<br /><br />Not all of the occupiers were Lakota and like I said what gave them the right to take over a town? <br /><br />"or to pay the Gildersleeves back for years of unfair store policies"<br /><br />Thanks for that perfect example of blaming the victim unless you have proof that the store had bad policies shut your face.<br /><br />"But it's hard to imagine a reason for taking Mrs. Gildersleeve's wedding ring or burning down the store."<br /><br />The reason for taking his ring is rather obvious.<br /><br />"but Wounded Knee doesn't even mention the protesters' grievances"<br /><br />Yes let's worry about criminals who took over a town. *Rolls eyes.*Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-45553528742754961062009-05-19T20:29:18.092-07:002009-05-19T20:29:18.092-07:00You are aware that AIM supports the IRA and PLO ri...You are aware that AIM supports the IRA and PLO right? AIM supports scum who have killed countless innocents; fuck them. Also Russell Means is a racist bigot who spouts nothing but nonsense. Plus countless AIM blogs are clueless about world affairs; for example one blob whined about how eviiiiil britain won't let northern Ireland go, when in reality the GFA allows for a united Ireland once a majority has been reached. Also if the so called 'goons' were really that bad why did AIM have to make up fairy tales about death squads? (Those myths were thoroughly disproven by Giago.)Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-74322347897902960732009-05-19T19:18:18.228-07:002009-05-19T19:18:18.228-07:00Your reality check needs a reality check:
"Wounde...Your reality check needs a reality check:<br /><br />"Wounded Knee mentions that the FBI had sources of information--i.e., spies--within the occupation. This made the protesters suspicious and paranoid about each other."<br /><br />Sounds like you've bought the standard line of why AIM had no choice but to eliminate people they thought were "spies." <br /><br />Using this logic would exonerate just about any criminal worried that somebody in his inner circle might be a fed. And as Leonard Peltier might say, shooting an arresting cop is self-defense.<br /><br />What really happened at WK was that Indians inside grew uneasy about Dennis Banks's bloodlust and some of them began to leak their concerns to the outside agencies. They saw people who were targeted simply because they were non-Indian; some of them were beaten, chained to beds and interrogated, raped and shot. It probably never occurred to Dennis that most of the intell the FBI received at WK came from Indians inside the village.<br /><br />The answers to the rest of your questions can be found at americanindianmafia.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com