tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post5317457220611212214..comments2024-02-10T18:19:36.406-08:00Comments on Newspaper Rock: Twilight vs. Quileute legendsRobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-56217305391294398632009-11-30T21:11:54.510-08:002009-11-30T21:11:54.510-08:00Get a live...Get a live...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-76704959584359223622009-11-30T13:55:45.311-08:002009-11-30T13:55:45.311-08:00Vampires and werewolfs are real if you go to googl...Vampires and werewolfs are real if you go to google and type in Cold One and not click on the stuff with Twight then you will find the things about the Vampires and Werewolfs and The Cold One and the Apotamkin. Oh one more thing Jacob Black is so HOTT with his eight pack.Jacob if your reading this i love you, you are so hott and you have a great body its so hot. Oh Twilight the book isnt that good but NEW MOON is a great book when i picked it up i couldn't put it down thats how good it was.I LOVE you JACOB BLACK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-17186986546263628332009-11-24T12:49:06.663-08:002009-11-24T12:49:06.663-08:00I think that SM's interpretation of the Quileu...I think that SM's interpretation of the Quileute tribe did have a few contradictions in it, but I did not no anything about Forks, La Push or indeed the Quileutes, but I am researching the Quileutes out of interest and I think that if you want to know about the Quileute's folklore and tales, you would look them up on the internet (I followed Bella's example from the movie and typed in the exact same thing)and just take SM's portrayal ofthe tribes, as you can't expect her to write an entire history book (as the spirit story is v. long and she shortened and edited it) just to make a few pedantic (sorry) people happyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-57409265083248898312009-10-02T22:39:46.841-07:002009-10-02T22:39:46.841-07:00I'm sure I ran across this many months after t...I'm sure I ran across this many months after this was posted, but Wolfboy, as a mostly white descendant of the Apache tribe I know that you need to learn to embrace the REAL culture and history of your people. Your tribe's culture was hijacked and revised for someone's profit. Your people were portrayed as stupid plot devices who don't deserve the same rights to live the "human experiences" and in the end were doomed to isolation to protect the freak show secret of monsters who she felt were more worthy (really white "vampires"). I don't understand why more people can't see that it is racist.<br />As for her inaccuracies, what do you expect from a Mormon princess who spent her life reading Harlequin Romances and doing internet research instead of experiencing life for real?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-64365699731079338122009-09-30T17:28:43.925-07:002009-09-30T17:28:43.925-07:00The decended from wolves story is true. Their is a...The decended from wolves story is true. Their is a story like that of "the cold ones". Stephanie may have made a few alterations to spice it up, but that is to keep the readers attention and make it more exhilirating rather than being like some boring history expose' in a museum that you would lull off to sleep listening too. Its a FICTION STORY. Of course she'll change things up a bit. Hell your lucky she used the Quileute at all. It just put Forks, La Push, and the Quileute back on the map is all it did. The legend just set forth an interesting foundation for a much broader story: TWILIGHT. The legend was actually "Fighting Ground of the Monsters", or something along those lines(not sure of true name for the legend).<br />""According to Quileute Legends, two monsters met on occasion in massive battle at the boundary between Elwha and Quileute territory. Equally matched, they devastated a huge area and wounded one another grievously, but neither ever killed the other. After the last such fight, both monsters hobbled home to caves, walled themselves in, and cried over their injuries. The steaming hot tears of both have run off of their dens and amassed to make the Sol Duc and Olympic hot springs. The Quileutes named the monster whose tears make the Sol Duc Hot Springs a’lakil “the monster who cries in the woods”."" This is the fabled battle between the wolves and vampires. I ,myself, am 17 years old, I am a Quileute tribe descendant, my family moved away from the tribes becuase my father feared the folklore and wanted me to have no part of it. I would love to know all about it.Wolfboyhttp://myspace.com/65tanknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-55214536462879414742009-09-08T04:30:32.864-07:002009-09-08T04:30:32.864-07:00First, I´m not a native english speaker, or writer...First, I´m not a native english speaker, or writer, so - sorry, for mistakes and errors - or enjoy it, however ;-).<br /><br />I googled "native americans vs twilight" very early in the morning and was very surprised: what is so wrong to use only a part of legends? I serging and googled: no original native americans as the "Wolfpack". Okay, I thought: that’s not nice, but this should´nt be a problem, as long they look alike?<br />And then I found many entries about this and thought about it: it woud´nt be a problem, when this world were perfect. If never people were killed for beeing what they are, if never racism colored everithing the most white people know about, think is right about Native American. And now: actors, who are not native americans, color the way, people all other the world will think, native americans look!!!! Horrible!!!!<br />So, yes it isn´t ridicoulus to camplain about. It is very necessary to camplain and to protest. It´s the only chance to get human rights and equity for all people, no matter which ancestors color your skin.<br />Sorry for the "dramatic writing" ;-)kupfergruennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-75991922593724912602009-09-01T22:33:01.314-07:002009-09-01T22:33:01.314-07:00Why can't people leave Stephenie alone. It'...Why can't people leave Stephenie alone. It's just a novel. Yet she did put Forks out there. I'm way beyond my teen years and i truly enjoyed her books. Infact i really can't wait and i pray that she will publish the novel that had been leaked. If we all started taking fiction novels seriously i think we'd be goin crazy. Leave the woman alone and let her enjoy her profession.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-25200844100929921942009-07-04T14:04:28.038-07:002009-07-04T14:04:28.038-07:00I know this is really, really late and probably no...I know this is really, really late and probably nobody will see it, and I apologize.<br /><br />Anyway, I just wanted to add that I'm not surprised at all by these inaccuracies, based on everything else Meyer got wrong in her series. There are many other (entirely unrelated) factual errors, including glaring mistakes in history, geography, science, and contradiction of her own canon. For example, Rosalie, a character who grew up in Brooklyn during the Great Depression, had economic stability <i>because of her father's secure job in a bank</i>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-1783942999118855412009-06-13T13:10:15.727-07:002009-06-13T13:10:15.727-07:00Quileute Legands, Legends have been passed down fr...Quileute Legands, Legends have been passed down from generation to generation if you explore more you'll find that the folklore is much darker than what the movie twilight would dare to present to its readers. (http://www.quileutes.com/native-americanlegends/quileute-indian-legends.html) such as Duskeah used to tattoo children. She would drive the bone needle clear through the arm or chest, and so kill them.Meyerhttp://www.quileutes.com/native-americanlegends/quileute-indian-legends.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-52491360604534464692009-05-08T00:13:00.000-07:002009-05-08T00:13:00.000-07:00Ok, Im going to keep this short. it's a fake story...Ok, Im going to keep this short. it's a fake story. It doesnt have to be real. Its alright to say ' this is what actually happened.' but dont take it too far or too serious. And don't be smart when you answer back to them. They were explaining their opinions nicely. Overall the stories and movie was good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-52413659787843296572009-05-02T22:16:00.000-07:002009-05-02T22:16:00.000-07:00The point is, its a FICTION book, Stephenie can sa...The point is, its a FICTION book, Stephenie can say or twist it as much as she wants, because its FICTION, NOT TRUE. I dont think you should bother about her lying. I like that she based it on a real place and twsited it little bit, the books were amazing. Even if everything in them weren't all real.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-91174009651281162862009-04-29T15:03:00.000-07:002009-04-29T15:03:00.000-07:00Re "Did you wanted to show people the real Quileut...Re "Did you wanted to show people the real Quileutes-legend or did you just wanted Meyer to look dishonest and bad?"<br /><br />I wanted to expose a particular falsehood and state the truth about Indians, Nadia. Just as I've done a thousand other times with a thousand other mistakes and stereotypes.<br /><br />Apparently you're unaware of my work on <A HREF="http://www.bluecorncomics.com/stertype.htm" REL="nofollow">Native stereotypes</A>. Read it and then tell us whether I'm out to get Meyer for some nefarious reason.<br /><br />Re "I didn't want to know whether Meyer was lying or dishonest": What you want doesn't concern me. If you don't like my postings, don't read them.<br /><br />Besides, I didn't know of your existence when I posted this item. So it's pointless to suggest I should've taken your wishes into account.<br /><br />Re "If you want real facts, you shouldn't read a fictional book":<br /><br />Really? It's just fiction? Wow, I didn't know that. Thanks for filling me in.<br /><br />Actually, I've written about this subject literally hundreds of times. Which is more than you've thought about it, I'm guessing. <br /><br />You're being silly if you think fiction doesn't influence our perception of things. Most of our ideas about Indians come from old Western movies and other forms of fiction.<br /><br />Here's some reading for you so you can educate yourself on the subject. Feel free to write again when you understand it better.<br /><br /><A HREF="http://www.bluecorncomics.com/itsjusta.htm" REL="nofollow">"It's Just a [Fill in the Blank]"</A><A HREF="http://www.bluecorncomics.com/stharm.htm" REL="nofollow">The Harm of Native Stereotyping: Facts and Evidence</A><A HREF="http://www.bluecorncomics.com/2008/08/influence-of-movies.html" REL="nofollow">The Influence of Movies</A>Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-71315754566059879262009-04-12T09:29:00.000-07:002009-04-12T09:29:00.000-07:00accuracy...accuracy...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-3123329835822340472009-04-12T09:20:00.000-07:002009-04-12T09:20:00.000-07:00It was a dark night just like this, with the wind ...It was a dark night just like this, with the wind whispering in the trees. Each step away from the firelight was a step further and further into the darkness. Each step, each snap of a twig, each brush of...what was that? BOO!! Really guys, you are arguing about a campfire story. I for one like acuracy even in fiction because it gives credibility to the story. But the best way ruin a great campfire story is to argue about it. Clarify the facts, yes. But don't overdo it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-7834266799913027372009-04-12T07:33:00.000-07:002009-04-12T07:33:00.000-07:00Rob, why did you put so much effort in this? Did y...Rob, why did you put so much effort in this? Did you wanted to show people the real Quileutes-legend or did you just wanted Meyer to look dishonest and bad? I think most people understand that Twilight is a fictional novel. And I know Stpehenie Meyer said the legends were true except for the "cold ones", but who cares ? I wanted to know something more about the legend, so I searched on Google. I didn't wanted to know whether Meyer was lying or dishonest. If you want real facts, you shouldn't read a fictional book. Read a boring informing book. Twilight is a great book, and if you wanted to make Stephenie Meyer look bad, then you just should say it directly. And don't make up stupid reasons to make her look stupid. No offence though. this is just the way I see it. By the way, I'm 14 years old and from Holland, so you shouldn't take this too seriously.nadiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05588134471598326369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-85531593930182225942009-04-01T16:41:00.000-07:002009-04-01T16:41:00.000-07:00This is so awsome its so cool that the quileute le...This is so awsome its so cool that the quileute legends are real!!!OMJ!!! or OMG!!! (oh my jonas) but im totally on TEAM EDWARD!!!!!! HE IS HOTTER THAN THE SUN!!! BUT ROBERT IS SO NOT!!! HE'S DEFENITLY UGLY SORRY ROB IF UR READING THIS!!! BUT U SHOULD DEF STAY AS EDWARD UR DEF GONNA GET MORE DATES!BUT IF YOU TURN INTO EDWARD CALL ME!!!! I'LL B UR FIRST GURL FRIEND!!! BAC OFF IF U LIKE EDWARD HE'S MINE!!! YOU GURLZ CAN HAVE JACOB!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-32082839287722922832009-03-25T09:19:00.000-07:002009-03-25T09:19:00.000-07:00If y'all don't want to address the question of whe...If y'all don't want to address the question of whether Meyer fibbed, feel free to address the broader point I made in <A HREF="http://www.bluecorncomics.com/2008/10/problem-with-quileute-werewolves.html" REL="nofollow">The Problem with Quileute Werewolves</A>. Namely:<BR/><BR/>Non-Natives have a long history of borrowing Native legends, stories, concepts, beliefs, and practices. And then simplifying them, changing them, sometimes bastardizing them beyond recognition. The result is a mishmash of mistakes and stereotypes amid nuggets of actual information.<BR/><BR/>No wonder people don't understand Indians. Their primary source is popular media such as the <I>Twilight</I> books. Which are based on "genuine Quileute stories," according to Meyer.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-81165142643332961392009-03-25T09:17:00.000-07:002009-03-25T09:17:00.000-07:00My research continues to be good enough, thanks.Th...My research continues to be good enough, thanks.<BR/><BR/>The "descended from wolves" legends are the same ones in <I>Twilight</I> and <I>Eclipse</I>. Meyer refers to them briefly in the first book and discusses them at length in the third book.<BR/><BR/>The excerpt below makes it clear that Meyer is talking about the same thing in both cases. The legend of "descended from wolves" is the legend of "how we came to be." The first part of "how we came to be ... descended from wolves" is "the story of the spirit warrior."<BR/><BR/>Nowhere in or out of the books has Meyer claimed that some of her legends are true and others are false. Her only claim is that the legends are "all actual Quileute legends."<BR/><BR/><I>Twilight</I> reader DMarks responds further:<BR/><BR/>The very detailed part (Taha Aki, etc.) is from book 3, <I>Eclipse</I>.<BR/><BR/>Jacob prefaces the Taha Aki/"spirit warrior" material thusly: "This is technically a council meeting. It's Quil's first time, and he hasn't heard the stories yet. Well, he's heard them, but this will be the first time he knows they're true. That tends to make a guy pay closer attention. Kim and Seth and Leah are all first-timers, too."<BR/><BR/>"Stories?"<BR/><BR/>Jacob scooted back beside me, where I rested against a low ridge of rock. He put his arm over my shoulder and spoke even lower into my ear.<BR/><BR/>"The histories we always thought were legends," he said. "The stories of how we came to be. The first is the story of the spirit warriors."<BR/><BR/>DMarks continues:<BR/><BR/>Anonymous Twihard saying "The legends that Meyer claimed to be true were was not the story of the spirit warriors" does not fit with the above quote of Jacob telling everyone how important and "true" (his word) the spirit warrior origin tale is. Also, it is not contradicted by anything or anyone in the stories. So there is no reason for any <I>Twilight</I> reader to question any of it.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-12901867768657419952009-03-03T07:28:00.000-08:002009-03-03T07:28:00.000-08:00Honestly?? The person above was right. Stephenie s...Honestly?? The person above was right. Stephenie said CHAPTER SIX of TWILIGHT when JACOB told Bella. Not when Billy or Quil Ataera told the werewolves. Don't go jumping down her throat. She never claimed her "spirit warriors" or Taha Aki was real. (even though the spirit warriors were. check wikipedia or www.quileutenation.com -the boys go off on salmon missions, etc.) For all the "research" you did you didn't do it well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-80923269076623949972009-02-17T13:17:00.000-08:002009-02-17T13:17:00.000-08:00hey nice reasearch! i'm a greek, 16-year old girl ...hey nice reasearch! i'm a greek, 16-year old girl and crazy for twilight. however i' ve learnt not to believe everything that the writers write. and look! as i was seeking in the net for smth about these legends i found your wonderfull article. thank you! i adore the book. but us the others say it is just o commercial fiction story. so read it with pleasure and continue your researches! excellent job!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-84083889520993680342009-02-08T00:57:00.000-08:002009-02-08T00:57:00.000-08:00The legends that Meyer claimed to be true were was...The legends that Meyer claimed to be true were was not the story of the spirit warriors. Chapter 6 of twiglight mentions<BR/>- Tying a canoe to the top th tallest trees on a mountain to survive the flood<BR/>- That they were descended from wolves, it's against tribal law to kill them<BR/>Try actually picking up a book before claiming the author is dishonest. The myth you refered to with Taha Aki was in a later book with no such claim of authenticityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-27694031090462983292009-01-22T22:37:00.000-08:002009-01-22T22:37:00.000-08:00Re "I think the issue here is artistic license": ...Re "I think the issue here is artistic license": No, the issue here is artistic <I>integrity</I>.<BR/><BR/>Did you read the part where Meyer said, "The Quileute (Quill-yoot) legends Jacob tells Bella in chapter six of Twilight are all genuine Quileute stories"? She made this claim <I>outside</I> the <I>Twilight</I> books to <I>sell</I> the books to gullible readers. "Artistic license" isn't an issue when we're talking about how honest her promotional efforts are.<BR/><BR/>As I've demonstrated in this posting, Meyer's "genuine" claim is false. If you don't like the fact that she lied to readers, I suggest you take it up with her. Ask her why she said the stories are genuine when they're not.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-42784797205314846262008-12-31T09:30:00.001-08:002008-12-31T09:30:00.001-08:00We are not talking about a history book-this is a ...We are not talking about a history book-this is a FICTIONAL novel about werewolves and vampires. Meyer has no obligation to accuracies and every right to stretch the truth and use her imagination. I had no idea Forks or Quileutes existed until today and personally, I am very pleased that her stories are BASED on reality. In additon, what about all those "based on a true story" books and films? The writers take an interesting story and imagine more details, characters, ect...there is nothing wrong with that.alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14729614988124465686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-58533919408769266352008-12-23T11:02:00.000-08:002008-12-23T11:02:00.000-08:00There is a difference between artistic license and...There is a difference between artistic license and appropriation. Meyer is passing off her version of the myths as *true*, when they are largely inaccurate. To change so much but claim she has not is not only disrespectful but dishonest.<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying not to like Meyer. I'm saying we do our chosen storytellers, be they Meyer or whomever, a great disservice by not holding them to standards and telling them "You can and should do better." If you liked her books as they are, imagine how much better they could only be with more research and respect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-11302859389589708582008-12-15T23:53:00.000-08:002008-12-15T23:53:00.000-08:00I think the issue here is artistic license. It's a...I think the issue here is artistic license. It's a work of fiction and, therefore, doesn't really need to be entirely factual with regards to its retelling of legends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com