tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post5622933604025908693..comments2024-02-10T18:19:36.406-08:00Comments on Newspaper Rock: Aleuts interned during WW IIRobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-65962451911628474922010-02-03T00:10:44.394-08:002010-02-03T00:10:44.394-08:00Stephen, your problem is actually quite simple.
Y...Stephen, your problem is actually quite simple.<br /><br />You cannot distinguish "making a true statement which might constitute a concession" with "propaganda".<br /><br />Here's an example: "For starters that's one person's opinion, Landers is probably another useful idiot who wants to believe that Cuba is a paradise" and that's directly after Landers says the words "brutal repression"!<br /><br />In other words, you are so black-and-white in your thinking that you literally CANNOT READ WORDS IN FRONT OF YOU.<br /><br />And then you say that "Cuba is basically a concentration camp." This is a classical example of a trivializing statement and it is part and parcel with your selfish decision to change the subject to irrelevancies in order to attack Rob.awnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-31806348925222029592010-01-29T21:33:08.029-08:002010-01-29T21:33:08.029-08:00"Once again, Stephen, I don't discuss the..."Once again, Stephen, I don't discuss the world's repressive regimes unless they involve the intersection of Native America and pop culture. I've explained this before, yet you still don't get it. Are you really as stupid as you seem?"<br /><br />As Rob pointed out Castro had concentration camps for Miskito Indians.<br /><br />"I haven't praised the Castro regime."<br /><br />So you deny writing this?<br /><br />"It didn't hurt that his government provided free medical care, education and housing to a population that had known poverty under previous governments that seemed to be friendly to wealthy foreigners."<br /><br />That's a typical example of pro-Castro propaganda.<br /><br />"In other words, are you as brain-dead as the conservatives who demonized Castro?"<br /><br />So in other words you think a brutal dictator who had concentration camps for Indians and LGBT people shouldn't be criticized? Do you also think that Stalin shouldn't be 'demonized'?<br /><br />"Do you think Castro planned to put Elian in a concentration camp rather than reunite him with his father?"<br /><br />Yes I do; since Cuba is basically a concentration camp.<br /><br />"Judging by your right-wing ravings, the answer is yes."<br /><br />I'm not right wing, leave your pathetic gang mentality out of this.Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-35636415041255401662010-01-29T19:44:25.861-08:002010-01-29T19:44:25.861-08:00Re "Rob, you have not considered that the mai...Re "Rob, you have not considered that the main reason had to do with population and power": True, I haven't gone into the reasons for the internments in depth. But does "population and power" contradict the idea of racism? When the US government had enough power over an ethnic population, it implemented its racist policies. When it didn't have enough power, as in Hawaii, it didn't.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-26734345550846809402010-01-29T19:38:18.222-08:002010-01-29T19:38:18.222-08:00As for China during this period:
http://en.wikipe...As for China during this period:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China<br /><br />According to Sun Yat-sen's theory, the KMT was to rebuild China in three phases: a phase of military rule through which the KMT would take over power and reunite China by force; a phase of political tutelage; and finally a constitutional democratic phase. In 1930, the Nationalists, having taken over the power, started the second phase, and promulgated a provisional constitution for the political tutelage period and began the period of so-called "tutelage." They were criticized as totalitarianism but claimed they were attempting to establish a modern democratic society. ... Historians argue that establishing a democracy in China at that time was not possible. The nation was at war and divided between Communists and Nationalists. Corruption within the government and lack of direction also prevented any significant reform to take place.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-78294442338537075172010-01-29T19:32:45.203-08:002010-01-29T19:32:45.203-08:00Sometimes these postings are more like first draft...Sometimes these postings are more like first drafts than final drafts, DMarks. I add things I think of the next day, or when I'm more awake. I changed the Guantanamo Bay line to say "Arabs and Muslims," for instance.<br /><br />But yes, Gitmo belongs on the list. The question is why we aren't giving these alleged terrorists due process of the law. I.e., trials with judges, lawyers, and juries. <br /><br />Because of what they've done? They haven't done anything until it's proved in a court of law. Until then, they're suspects, not criminals.<br /><br />If we were holding them in Guantanamo Bay until they received speedy fair trials, it wouldn't be a concentration camp. Holding them indefinitely without due process is what makes it one. And spare us the inevitable defense of Bush's illegal POW policies. "On June 12, 2008, the United States Supreme Court ruled in Boumediene v. Bush that the Guantanamo captives were entitled to the protection of the United States Constitution." (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp)<br /><br />We can speculate why these brown-skinned suspects are the only ones being held in a concentration camp. We also can speculate why many Americans wanted to kill everyone in the Muslim world after 9/11. Based on the evidence, I say the reason is racism. Prove me wrong if you can.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-58145448025533197362010-01-29T19:04:20.979-08:002010-01-29T19:04:20.979-08:00Once again, Stephen, I don't discuss the world...Once again, Stephen, I don't discuss the world's repressive regimes unless they involve the intersection of Native America and pop culture. I've explained this before, yet you still don't get it. Are you really as stupid as you seem?<br /><br />I haven't praised the Castro regime. What I said was clear to everyone who can comprehend English: "Stereotyping other cultures is an example of monocultural thinking. The conservative view of Castro is similarly myopic. When we learn to see the world in shades of gray, not black and white, we'll make progress toward real solutions, not sound bites."<br /><br />The issue at hand was the Miami Cubans' kidnapping of Elian Gonzalez. Do you think Castro planned to put Elian in a concentration camp rather than reunite him with his father? In other words, are you as brain-dead as the conservatives who demonized Castro? Judging by your right-wing ravings, the answer is yes.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-38666480190065563692010-01-29T16:42:36.061-08:002010-01-29T16:42:36.061-08:00"Once more, Stephen changes the subject to so..."Once more, Stephen changes the subject to something completely irrelevant so that he can attack Rob."<br /><br />So you don't see the hypocrisy in condemning America while praising a brutal dictatorship? Oh wait that's right you're the same guy who claimed there's wrong with comparing Israel to nazi germany; reality isn't your strong suit.<br /><br />"Historian Jane Landers has been conducting research in Cuba since 1991 and noted the continued popularity of Castro despite periods of great deprivation and episodes of sometimes brutal repression." <br /><br />For starters that's one person's opinion, Landers is probably another useful idiot who wants to believe that Cuba is a paradise, not a factual argument. Do you really think that the Cuban people love the government that locks them up for hanging flags upside down? If they really love Fidel why have over a million Cubans risked their lives fleeing for the US in fragile boats? Also here's a reason why their research cannot be used a source.<br /><br />"However, he said the government placed too many restrictions on his research for him to participate."Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-30127446717865327162010-01-29T11:38:08.559-08:002010-01-29T11:38:08.559-08:00Once more, Stephen changes the subject to somethin...Once more, Stephen changes the subject to something completely irrelevant so that he can attack Rob.<br /><br />You cut off the end of the paragraph:<br /><br /><i>When we learn to see the world in shades of gray, not black and white, we'll make progress toward real solutions, not sound bites.</i><br /><br />You cut it off because it undermines your argument. If you want to be taken seriously then you really have to learn to stifle your reflexive dishonesty.<br /><br /><i>Historian Jane Landers has been conducting research in Cuba since 1991 and noted the continued popularity of Castro <b>despite periods of great deprivation and episodes of sometimes brutal repression.</b></i>awnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-30125913548937331222010-01-28T14:49:34.575-08:002010-01-28T14:49:34.575-08:00"Your first link in fact is someone else'..."Your first link in fact is someone else's movie review. Not even Rob's. Do you expect anyone to believe 100% in everything in columns they include in their web site? Rob's included Pat Buchanan columns here too."<br /><br />Then you must have missed this part in a section called 'Rob's comments':<br /><br />"There's a direct line from the evil priest in the movie to the allegedly child-sacrificing, not-quite-human Fidel Castro. As we've done for centuries, we demonize that which we don't understand. Stereotyping other cultures is an example of monocultural thinking. The conservative view of Castro is similarly myopic."<br /><br />Apparently Rob thinks that poooor fidel is misunderstood.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06842875589383922334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-37149745555809243282010-01-28T07:34:07.852-08:002010-01-28T07:34:07.852-08:00Rob, you have not considered that the main reason ...Rob, you have not considered that the main reason had to do with population and power. For instance, there were no internment camps for the Japanese (Americans or otherwise) in Hawaii, and this was only because there so many it wouldn't have been possible. Strength in numbers.Sparkynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-88070130807801701672010-01-28T06:34:42.470-08:002010-01-28T06:34:42.470-08:00My only quibble: "Asians who came from one to...My only quibble: "Asians who came from one totalitarian state or another (the USSR, China, or Japan)"<br /><br />Not sure you could have counted China, which at that time was under the "Nationalist" government and an ally, as one of the totalitarian states.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-76672793618435364722010-01-28T04:23:39.205-08:002010-01-28T04:23:39.205-08:00"Gitmo" does not belong on the list, bec..."Gitmo" does not belong on the list, because the prisoners are there because of something they did, not their ethnicity. It drags down the others to include "Gitmo" with them.<br /><br />Also damaging the case for "Arabs: Guantanamo Bay." is the fact that tne differing nationalities represented there include non-Arabs from nations such as Azerbaijan, Russia, Syria, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan<br /><br />There are other far worse places that could be added instead. I'm sure there had to have been slave holding places at the height of the antebellum South with many more than 100 prisoners, there just for being black.<br /><br />Stephen: The Castro regime was also involved in concentration camps for indigenous people (Miskito Indians) during its Sandinista war against Nicaragua. However, I can't recall ever seeing Rob defend Castro. You had to dig deep to find that.<br /><br />Your first link in fact is someone else's movie review. Not even Rob's. Do you expect anyone to believe 100% in everything in columns they include in their web site? Rob's included Pat Buchanan columns here too.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-54193328334754930182010-01-28T03:01:00.442-08:002010-01-28T03:01:00.442-08:00I read something on Indians who were touring Europ...I read something on Indians who were touring Europe with a Wild West show who were arrested and imprisoned as "Russian spies" when WWI broke out.Katnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-17361896881296023312010-01-28T00:16:38.774-08:002010-01-28T00:16:38.774-08:00A very educational post but do you see the hypocri...A very educational post but do you see the hypocrisy in condemning American concentration camps while your website contains apologist material for the Castro regime (see the links below)? You know the same regime that had concentration camps for homosexuals?<br /><br />http://www.bluecorncomics.com/eldorado.htm<br /><br />http://www.bluecorncomics.com/2008/04/what-gorby-said.html<br /><br />This quote cracked me up:<br /><br />"It didn't hurt that his government provided free medical care, education and housing to a population that had known poverty under previous governments that seemed to be friendly to wealthy foreigners."Stephennoreply@blogger.com