tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post846321649774780153..comments2024-02-10T18:19:36.406-08:00Comments on Newspaper Rock: Happy Merciless Indian Savages Day!Robhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-20745646761670663372010-07-09T23:56:07.403-07:002010-07-09T23:56:07.403-07:00Obama's line about "our ancestors who emi...Obama's line about "our ancestors who emigrated here and struggled to build a better future for their children" could refer to anyone except Indians. If you include forced emigration, it could refer to African slaves. But as people have noted, some blacks came here voluntarily.<br /><br />His next line, "our pioneers and entrepreneurs who blazed trails that have continually expanded our horizons," reinforces the previous line. Again, some pioneers and entrepreneurs were black, Latino, Asian, and so forth. Few if any were Indians.<br /><br />Taken together, you get the standard American myth. People emigrated to this uninhabited land, pioneered and settled it, and built it into something great. This slights the Indians, who didn't need to pioneer or build anything because their cultures already filled the land.<br /><br />P.S. It was a written proclamation, not a speech.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-2346936218625586122010-07-05T10:41:40.354-07:002010-07-05T10:41:40.354-07:00Thanks for the reply dmarks, you would be surprise...Thanks for the reply dmarks, you would be surprised on just how many strong willed patriots in America have never read the complete Declaration of Independence or Constitution either.<br /><br />Like the bible, they dissect whichever parables, chapters and verses to fit their extremist and shortsighted ideologies.<br /><br />This is why as Deloria points out in Custer Died For Your Sins: An Indian Manifesto with Christianity, the right hand never knows what the left hand is doing. In other words, American Chritianity is divided into Presbyterians, Methodists, Protestants, Episcopilians etc,. Why does God need so many different temples to be served and why do they all fight one another?<br /><br />I also do not buy into the liberalist and conservative arguments of divisions. To me, they all serve the same master, money. The division of the people profit only the few on top whether its the media moguls, the military industry, corporate and consumer markets etc,.<br /><br />Which is why it serves everyone to not be so racist or prejudiced since we are all equally screwed in the end and we all serve and die alongside each other in combat. <br /><br />The stereotype and racist efforts are alive and aimed at all minority groups, poor whites and gays included, except today, the divisions are becoming more and more economic divisions between the rich and the poor.<br /><br />It is inevitable that African and Latino Americans prosper and be successful in America, justly so, but as long as they do not do so at the cost of others demise, which is what the mascot issue does! It inflames and continues ignorance as an acceptable cultural heritage in the American populous.Southern Plainsmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-71812542385232215932010-07-05T05:51:01.020-07:002010-07-05T05:51:01.020-07:00"Accurate": Most African-Americans had s..."Accurate": Most African-Americans had slave ancestors, so the pioneer heritage is not theirs. While some such as President Obama and Colin Powell had ancestors come to America as willing immigrants, this is not a majority.<br /><br />And yes it is obvious that many Hispanics come to the US as immigrants, and have for a long time. I know that. My mention of slighting "many Latinos" refers to the fact that the ancestors of many Hispanics, the US came to them instead of them coming to the US.<br /><br />"It might also surprise you to find that MANY African and Latino Americans are in fact a large part of the anti-Indian crowd that are pro-sports mascot defenders"<br /><br />Actually, this does not surprise me. I have referred to this in the past, and also how liberals just as easily as conservatives embrace mascots such as Chief Wahoo.<br /><br />And I was not commenting/objecting about Rob and the Declaration.<br /><br />M: Looking at your summary comment, I think I now see that "Accurate" and you were misreading. I was not objecting to Rob's case that the speech slighted Natives at all. I think you misread me.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-57838961183523735382010-07-04T23:24:07.086-07:002010-07-04T23:24:07.086-07:00Basically, I could have made that tl;dr comment a ...Basically, I could have made that tl;dr comment a bit more concise by just saying "the proverbial 'we', 'us' and 'our' in contrived speeches like this refers to everybody who crashed the party uninvited, and all the acquaintances they brought over".m.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-42993983806361461492010-07-04T23:15:36.285-07:002010-07-04T23:15:36.285-07:00Yeah, I'm also going to have to disagree with ...Yeah, I'm also going to have to disagree with you, dmarks. Despite the fact that not all men are "created equal", in this "nation of immigrants", everyone can still "belong"...just so long as they're not Indigenous.<br /><br />Immigrants/settlers/occupiers (whatever you wanna call them) here in this single "nation" of theirs have it better off than those of us still residing within the continent of our ancestors own homelands. It doesn't matter if they are black, Hispanic (whatever that entails) or Asian - they all play a part in marginalizing Indians, benefit from the colonial project, are virtually living off of our backs. It pisses people off to hear this, but it's an undeniable truth. While both black and Asian people have to deal with two different, yet equally ugly forms of racism directed towards them, both groups also share a similar privilege - and despite it being one of great immensity that works for them constantly, most are oblivious to it (that's how privilege works, though): it's simply the privilege of not being Indigenous.<br /><br />"Do you know what it's like to be a sliver of the census pie in your own land, the numbers at the bottom of every statistical list if you're listed at all? This is what it's like to be Native when you're born in Chicago in 1961: you exist in the mirror, in your mother's face, you exist in the angry poems that drizzle from the clutch of your pen, all your words upon words upon words, your exhibit, your proof of life, shouting with ink -- we are here!" - Susan Powerm.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-54143368985575285082010-07-04T22:28:26.677-07:002010-07-04T22:28:26.677-07:00I disagree with you dmarks because it might surpri...I disagree with you dmarks because it might surprise you to know that many African Americans and Hispanics of European descent are of immigrant blood.<br /><br />It might also surprise you to find that MANY African and Latino Americans are in fact a large part of the anti-Indian crowd that are pro-sports mascot defenders and know little to nothing of American Indian tribes or culture.<br /><br />Rob is correct in his wording about what the "Declaration of Independence" states about Native Americans.<br /><br />Have you ever read this document dmarks?Accurately written speechnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-28603811391549794252010-07-04T17:01:33.055-07:002010-07-04T17:01:33.055-07:00"As usual, Obama offers the pure "we'..."As usual, Obama offers the pure "we're immigrants who settled the land" line. As usual, he slights Native Americans."<br /><br />Curiously, the paragraph you condemn also slights African-Americans, and probably many Latinos. A very poorly written speech.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.com