Another
startling revelation from Russell Bates: The survivors of the Trail of Tears, who willingly moved to Oklahoma, deny the existence of the state's other tribes.
Even today, the "Five Civilized Tribes' do not accord the Arapaho, the Comanche, the Wichita, the Caddo, the Shawnee, the Apache, the Pawnee, the Osage, the Modoc, the Ponca, the Quapaw, the Sac & Fox, the Delaware, the Alabama-Quassadta, the Cheyenne, the Iowa, the Wyandotte, the Kickapoo, the Miami, the Thlopthlocco, or the Kiowa, or any of Oklahoma's other 14 tribes as having status as Native tribes occupying the same territory. 'We' do not exist, as far as 'they' are concerned.
Writerfella here --
ReplyDeleteIn actuality, yes, as "Indian Territory" seemingly was promised to the "Five Civilized Tribes" as an incentive and thus theirs to own IF they submitted to 'the relocation,' as the Chickasaw now call 'The Trail Of Tears.' There now are 30+ more tribes in what came to be known as Oklahoma and by which truth the 'FCT' much are discomfited...
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Russ Bates
'writerfella'
So far we have only your word for any of this. And we know what your word is worth.
ReplyDeleteI believe Indians have always used the terms "relocation" and "removal" along with "Trail of Tears." They're synonymous.
If the Chickasaws are using "relocation" rather than "removal" in a commercial, they aren't saying they relocated voluntarily. They're probably using it to soften the blow of their message--to avoid alienating the non-Indians whose support they seek.
We're still waiting for a shred of evidence that Oklahoma was promised exclusively to the five tribes. And that the five tribes have opposed Oklahoma's other 30-plus tribes on anything. Until you provide the evidence, these claims remain fanciful stories if not outright lies.
Writerfella here --
ReplyDeleteLuckily for writerfella, all one has to do is access Oklahoma's Centennial website to find that the number of Native tribes is what writerfella stated that they are, then the history of what tribes were incarcerated here first, and then what the dispositions of those tribes have become. But maybe that would be too many keystrokes for your laptop...
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Russ Bates
'writerfella'
Wow, I think this was your first reference to an actual source. Congratulations. Soon you'll be posting URLs and quotes from websites like a real intellectual. You know, like someone who can substantiate his positions with facts and evidence.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, your attempt to justify your claim has failed. The Oklahoma Centennial site at
http://www.oklahomacentennial.com
has no apparent links dedicated to tribes or tribal history. So try again. Provide the specific URL, not a general reference, for whatever it is you're talking about. Put up or shut up.
Funny hearing the person who doesn't check or provide sources question the person who does. Too bad everyone here knows what an intellectual lightweight you are. As you've demonstrated once again with a vague reference to a site that doesn't support your claims.
ReplyDeleteI haven't questioned the number of tribes in Oklahoma, so that's a straw-man argument. What I've questioned is your claim that the five tribes have denied the existence of Oklahoma's other tribes or sued them en masse. So far we have only your word for this, and we know what your word is worth.
We're still waiting for a shred of evidence that Oklahoma was promised exclusively to the five tribes. And that the five tribes have opposed Oklahoma's other 30-plus tribes on anything. Until you provide the evidence, these claims remain fanciful stories if not outright lies.