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"Redskins" All Over the Continent? another lamebrain defended
Redskin magazine. Unlike the
previous coward, at least this fellow had the guts to sign his name. Here's what Jonathan Garlow said:
Rob Schmidt is better than the editor of Redskin Magazine. He just knows.I don't just magically "know," bright boy. I report what
many Natives have said.
I'm amazed that some people are too dense to understand the difference between my opinion and Native opinion. Or perhaps they're intentionally misstating the facts to deceive people. Which is it, Garlow: Are you too stupid or too dishonest to state my position accurately?
In any case, I guess you haven't read the many postings in which I've answered charges like this. Here are a few of them:
Rob shouldn't judge Natives?Rob the presumptuous white man?Wrong to point out stereotypes?1. Why does Rob Schmidt care? What is the motive of this "white, anglo-saxon" columnist (colonist)?Why write about Native Americans?As if one has to have a reason for combating
racism and
stereotyping. The question should be why more people
aren't doing it, not why I'm doing it.
Meanwhile, why is Garlow ducking the issue of the magazine with an ethnic slur as its title? Could it be he has nothing to say on the issue and is trying to change the subject? And is hoping you won't notice his failure to address the issue?
Rob jealous of Redskin?!"But for popular Native culture, you don’t need a magazine, since Newspaper Rock has it all" .. oh wait a second, maybe he is feeling threatened by the very "native subjects" he writes about.Yeah, that's why I work at PECHANGA.net disseminating Native news. Why I write for Indian Country Today and other publications. Because I'm jealous of Native publications and want to keep their readers for myself.
How stupid and illogical can you get? Pretty damn stupid and illogical, if you're Jonathan Garlow.
He's gotta make a living somehow, besides we can't have self-published native's writing about themselves can we?!I'm making money from my work promoting Natives at PECHANGA.net, Indian Country Today, and elsewhere. And
not from Newspaper Rock. You have it exactly backward, dumbass.
He also wrote "How many young, urban Natives have enough disposable income to spend on this luxury item?”. Ouch. Coming from a white man this one is a low blow, I'm surprised no one caught this. Luxuries such as magazines aren't for us folk, we heard about magazines but can’t afford them. Hey thanks for helping us though.Great sarcasm, mouth. Good job disguising the fact that you have no answer to my question. Which was only a question and not an assertion, in case you're too dumb to know the difference.
You gotta love how these people keep asserting how wonderful and popular Redskin magazine is, but no one will tell us how well it's selling. Strong sales would be excellent evidence that Natives don't mind the title "Redskin." Yet we haven't heard one word about sales figures. Why not?
Let's banish terms?2. Who are these "Natives" everyone keeps talking about? ... By far, Native American Indian should be the most offensive term because it implies we are Americans and not an independent nation."American Indian" vs. "Native American""Indian" vs. "Native American"While we’re at it let’s take the color red out of the Anishnabe medicine wheel because it’s racist!!Apparently you're no more aware of the difference between "red" and "redskin" than Anonymous is. Read
my answer to him and alleviate your ignorance.
3. Self-determination. We affirm the right to define ourselves and I support Redskin in their decision to identify with this English label.And I support all the Indians who have
deemed the word "redskins" an ethnic slur. That is, I support
their right to self-determination--to determine for themselves that "redskin" is an insult.
All English naming conventions are false anyway, why argue over which ones are more false than others.Ask your fellow Natives why
many of them consider "redskin" an ethnic slur. They're the ones who made this determination. I'm simply repeating what they said.
First Nations, Native American, Indian, Redman, are all non-indigenous terms.Not "Redman,"
according to your fellow "redskin" defender. But I think he's wrong about that.
In any case, no kidding. Tell us something we don't know.
Too lame to think of better title?It would then seem that you the naysayer would prefer if his magazine targeted a vague ‘minority’; perhaps they should have named the magazine ‘Non-whiteskin” instead of Redskin, or perhaps you simply wish they didn’t start a magazine at all.If Redskin's staff can't think of another name, they have no business being in a creative field. There must be dozens of possible names to choose from.
You obviously missed the point that they chose "Redskin" intentionally to be provocative and "hip." It's like blacks naming a magazine "Nigger" to prove their street cred. The offense is calculated so young readers will think, "Wow, this magazine dares to insult its own people. It must be out there on the edge. Therefore, I'd better read it. I wanna prove my coolness by insulting my elders too."
Meanwhile, spare us the straw-man arguments such as "perhaps you simply wish they didn’t start a magazine at all." Nobody has said Natives shouldn't publish magazines.
Either way you cannot tell another flesh and blood being how they should define themselves without being hypocritical especially when the naming is done in a foreign language.Ask your fellow Natives why
many of them consider "redskin" an ethnic slur. They're the ones who made this determination. I'm simply repeating what they said.
Thanks for being offended on my behalf but it’s really not necessary.Ask your fellow Natives why
many of them consider "redskin" an ethnic slur. They're the ones who made this determination. I'm simply repeating what they said.
In short, there's no hypocrisy here. Only your stupidity or dishonesty about what my position is.
Another idiot respondsAfter Jonathan Garlow posted his comments, someone named Arty Martin concurred. I'm guessing he's the anonymous poster who started this debate. Here's what Martin said:
So, Redskin really grinds schmidtys' gears, right? Why? .. is schmidty some kind of righteous spirit of words here to reflect the madness and evils of specific his-stories? .. Why does this whole thing matter at all to schmidty?Why write about Native Americans?Maybe our schmidty had his life traumatically flipped upside down and inside out by the word RedskinYeah, that's why I've done my
Stereotype of the Month contest for a decade. Why I've posted several hundred entries--only a couple of which are about "redskins." Because I was upset by one word.
In other words, thanks for demonstrating your profound ignorance of my work, Arty. Too bad you revealed your ignorance publicly so I could ridicule it.
Maybe he's an idiot with idiot friends who together roam the earth doing mindless idiot things causing chaos and confusion where ever he goes - like a Super-IdiotYeah, I feel horrible
hobnobbing with the likes of Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Kevin Gover, and
Adam Beach...making money while taking trips...basking in the
praise of thousands of readers...etc. It's a tough life, but someone's got to do it.
Below: Another "redskin" asserts his ethnic pride. Hee-haw!
"Maybe he's an idiot with idiot friends who together roam the earth doing mindless idiot things causing chaos and confusion where ever he goes - like a Super-Idiot"
ReplyDeleteI'm an idiot doing mindless idiot things? No, wait. I'm a "Super Idiot"!
I guess my films are for idiots too because I "roam the earth doing mindless idiot things." I'll admit that some of my films are "Idiotic" and a few of them do suck ass. So, in a nut shell I'm guessing the people that like my films are idiots too?
Being called an idiot is not too bad. I've been called worse. asshole, mother fucker, bastard, halfbreed piece of shit, wetback, spic, wagon burner, bow-twanger, etc...
As far as the "Redskin" title for the magazine goes, I guess it's up to an individual. Some may take no offense to it all all and may think it's a really cool title. Others may take the title offensively. Personally I don't take an offense to the title, but I can't picture my grandmother (who is traditional)picking up the magazine and not freaking out on the title. She'd probraby say something like "diigis" (sorry but I have a very limited Navajo vocabulary as well as spelling and writing in Navajo because I'm an idiot)
I have never actually seen a printed version of the magazine Redskin. I have heard my friend Billy Crawley of Ethnic De Generation talk to me about it. I think they may have interviewed the band for an issue? I don't recall. Either way, I have never seen the actual physical magazine here on the Navajo Nation and the only person that ever mentioned it to me here at home was my friend Billy.
Native calanders, T-shirts, DVD bootlegs, monthly General Assistance Checks, playing gangsta, and 40's seem to be more popular around here.
Your opinions and sentiments, despite being shared and similar with/to a lot of Indians, would be easier to take seriously if you didn't always resort to ad hominem attacks. Especially considering the fact that many Indians who have read this blog already know that your posts are written from an outsider's POV...and nothing more.
ReplyDeleteFor me (and I think for the people you were quoting in this entry), the issue isn't so much with the fact that you're a white person critiquing anti-Indian racism, it's just that you're incredibly defensive and pretentious when you do it. You know, "Father knows best!" Your tactics are aggressive and pushy, and you remind me of some of the folks I've met in the city who take a few courses (or major in [insert oppressed group of your choice here] Studies in college) and then can never just LISTEN to people of color with differing opinions because, hey, you've read books and talked to hundreds of brown people! Yeah, as if actual lived experience shouldn't be valued more than that...
I have a lot of issues with the word 'redskin', and will probably never use it - even amongst friends. However, there ARE some Indians (younger, usually) who use it amongst each other. The impression that I get from them is that they are attempting to "reclaim" a slur, just like many other people of color have done. Obviously you agree that it IS a slur, but your ad hominems and refusal to dialogue in a mature way when people point out that you have a pompous way of going about things is a bit asinine.
It's like when whites try to explain to black youth how offensive "the 'n' word" is - as if black people themselves aren't already aware of the history behind it and aren't reclaiming it for use AMONGST each other. No one is giving mainstream society, outsiders, white people, et cetera the 'Okay, Go!' for them to start using racial slurs, in turn. Reclamation isn't about that. If you find the word 'redskin' offensive, then go ahead and critique/question the use of it for a publication...there's nothing wrong with that. You don't need to call Indians who disagree with you 'idiots', though. Your approach feels more like you are trying to police language used within a community that you do not belong to.
I doubt red**** mag sells that well; these days you don't have to pay for softcore porn (which is what that awful rag really is). The revolting title it obviously a 'hey look at me' gimmick.
ReplyDelete"Colored people", appearing in the slightly reworded phrase of "people of color", is another problematic term.
ReplyDeletePerhaps the "Redskin" folks could try to sidestep controversy by using "skin of red" instead.
dmarks, unless you ARE a person of color (and with statements like that, I highly doubt it), then maybe you should only leave comments when you grasp the issue at hand. What a ridiculous remark...I'd say it was laughable if it wasn't also racist. Basically, if you want to debate semantics, that's fine - but comparing a widely used and accepted term to OPPRESSIVE LANGUAGE is not the way to do it. 'People of color' is not "problematic" - your lack of knowledge and apparent racism in comparing it to the racial slur 'redskin', however, IS.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Stephen: I cannot comment on the publication's sales or the "softcore porn" comment (other than adding, "Hey, a lot of Indians do enjoy looking at other Indians that are naked"), but I do agree that titling the magazine with a slur is a bit of a "'look at me!' gimmick", as you so put it. I'm also not really into softcore porn, so it wouldn't be my thing seeing as how it is cheesy in more than one way.
Just to reiterate my feelings: I am not defending the magazine itself so much as I am defending the use/reclamation of a slur amongst a community of people that it oppresses. I may not use that word, and I certainly would not want someone--Indian or not--to address a loved one or an elder with it, but I also do not have a problem with youth attempting to reclaim it by incorporating it into conversations with each other or throwing it around amongst themselves jokingly. Most Indians are a pretty good judge at what is acceptable and what isn't. Unless it is used in a certain context, I agree with Rob that 'redskin' is oppressive. It's a racial slur; one that is the most widely-used and attached to one of the most horrific histories, at that. I'm going by a situation-to-situation basis, though, and it is my opinion that it is not up for anyone other than Indians to dictate what terms/words/whatever are acceptable for us to use in certain settings.
M - "dmarks, unless you ARE a person of color (and with statements like that, I highly doubt it)"
ReplyDeleteEveryone has color, actually. If anything is racist here, it is your prejudicial guess at my skin color. There was nothing at all racist about my observation.
"but comparing a widely used and accepted term to OPPRESSIVE LANGUAGE is not the way to do it"
Both terms are widely used.
"People of color" means the exact same thing as "colored people". Just as "People of Indonesia" means the exact same thing as "Indonesian people".
"People of color" is problematic in that it is a lame (in my view) and also clumsy rewording of the "colored people" term, and it is the same thing.
Apparent racism? No. I do not use any of these terms, nor "Redskin" except in conversations like this to discuss them.
Back to the "Redskin" word
"though, and it is my opinion that it is not up for anyone other than Indians to dictate what terms/words/whatever are acceptable for us to use in certain settings."
Rob's views on this, as he has described many times, are entirely based on what Indians' views on this word are in terms of acceptibility.