They may have a point. Sovereignty is always on the table and up for grabs unfortunately that has been proven time and again in our history, so much so that there is reason for apprehension. I think that holds true of legal claims. Tribes always have been a small nation in the middle of larger, more powerful groups it isn't always easy to prove our point in court.
December 15, 2006
Tribes protest DNA research
Human history: It's all relative[T]he tribes most are concerned that the DNA research may undermine the moral basis for sovereignty and might chip away at legal claims.
They may have a point. Sovereignty is always on the table and up for grabs unfortunately that has been proven time and again in our history, so much so that there is reason for apprehension. I think that holds true of legal claims. Tribes always have been a small nation in the middle of larger, more powerful groups it isn't always easy to prove our point in court.
They may have a point. Sovereignty is always on the table and up for grabs unfortunately that has been proven time and again in our history, so much so that there is reason for apprehension. I think that holds true of legal claims. Tribes always have been a small nation in the middle of larger, more powerful groups it isn't always easy to prove our point in court.
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Writerfella here --
writerfella knows this issue quite well. The Hopi people, as well as other Pueblo tribes, claim descendency from that great lost tribe, the Anasazi. But no Pueblo tribe now existing displays the genetic characteristics that are recognized from analysis of Anasazi gravesites. The most telling of those characteristics is that Anasazi people displayed a high degree of recessive tendency toward polydactylism, or six-fingered hands and six-toed feet. The webmaster of this site has claimed that only six such skeletons ever have been found according to his reading of the literature and so he discounts that information as has been supplied by writerfella. But writerfella, having researched and verified his Anasazi data, knows that there have been many more such skeletons found and evaluated. Once a year, the teams of scientists investigating the Anasazi hold a conference in Arizona where the latest finds and discoveries are presented to the scientific community. They even publish these findings and display their content on the internet. As writerfella and his co-writer were constructing ANASAZI The Screenplay, they found that website and thus were able to keep abreast of the conference's new additions to the wealth of knowledge about the Anasazi. Since the screenplay was completed and has been in circulation among the many motion picture companies, luckily continuing to be optioned from year to year, writerfella has dutifully updated the data and information in the screenplay anent the findings of that scientific conference. Should their DNA analysis and profiling finally be made public, the conclusion should be that the Pueblo tribes, especially the Hopi, have no direct connection with the Anasazi at all.
And of course, the Pueblo peole will protest, just as the article posted here has indicated. Science has its way of supporting word of mouth but it also has the other side of the coin to perform as well.
All that writerfella knows is that each year's conference only has enhanced the validity of the story told in his screenplay. ANASAZI The Screenplay is writerfella's Native version of STAR WARS and, if it finds its way into motion picture production, any and all who see the finished product will have to agree.
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Russ Bates
'writerfella'
If the information is on the Internet, post a link to it. Let's see the so-called evidence.
The number of cases is just one argument against your theory. Another is that the six-digited people didn't have to intermarry with the other "Anasazi" regardless of their numbers.
Even if the "Anasazi" were a separate people from the Hopis' ancestors, are you arguing that they didn't intermarry and thus share their DNA? That's another speculative leap that I guess you can't or won't explain.
If this trait is so easily inherited, you must be claiming that the "Anasazi" literally never married anyone outside their tribe. And that the "Anasazi" were literally wiped out to the last person. Is that really what you're claiming?
Here's what archaeologists believe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Pueblo_Peoples
Ancient Pueblo People or Ancestral Puebloans are terms preferred by some modern archeologists for the cultural group of people often known as Anasazi, the ancestors of the modern Pueblo peoples. The ancestral Puebloans were a prehistoric Native American culture centered around the present-day Four Corners area of the Southwest United States. Archaeologists still debate when a distinct culture emerged, but the current consensus, based on terminology defined by the Pecos Classification, suggests their emergence around 1200 B.C., the Basketmaker II Era.
So the Basketmakers, the Pueblos' ancestors, have lived in the Southwest for at least 3,200 years. This raises a host of questions you haven't begun to answer. At what point in time do you think the "Anasazi" arrived? Where did the Basketmakers live if not in the territory occupied by the "Anasazi"? How did the two groups avoid intermarrying or merging?
If your theory is right, what was the "Anasazi" culture like before they moved into Basketmaker territory and began adopting Basketmaker concepts such as the kiva? Where's the archaeological chain of evidence proving the "Anasazi" had a separate culture unrelated to the Basketmaker culture that preceded theirs? Good luck with your answers. You'll need it.
FYI, I've researched the Pueblo Indians extensively for the last 16+ years. I probably have two dozen books about them on my shelves. In short, I'm betting I know more about them than you know about the "Anasazi."
Writerfella here --
And just where is it that writerfella claimed that the Anasazi were 'wiped out'? Show me the citage.
writerfella will have to search among his many internet files to find the address, as the conference happens only once a year, as he stated. Once he finds it, that shall be yours. In the most recent such conference, the scientists discussed the significance of the curiously-shaped 'medicine man' canes that held medicine objects on short hide strings so that, when shaken, the canes achieved a special rattling sound. One such cane is retained by the archaeology department at Northern Arizona University, and another is being held by the Bureau of Indian Affairs. That cane is one of the items featured in ANASAZI The Screenplay. It is Nathan BigHawk's 'wizard staff' that he has carried for 35 years, given to him by his adoptive Navajo 'father', and he even took it with him when he fought as a soldier in Viet Nam. It also figures into the climactic sequence when the Navajo healer and Bighawk battle 'The Great Gambler' with spells and incantations when he rises from his grave and now is a threat to the rest of the world as we know it.
You would have to read the screenplay to fully appreciate just how perfect a story this has become...
All Best
Russ Bates
'writerfella'
Writerfella here --
And now a new scientific wrinkle has been discovered that further removes Pueblo people from relation to the long-lost Anasazi. And that is epigeneticism, whereby the genetic RNA mutations of an ancestor inevitably repeat and/or reappear in a species' descendants, EVEN IF THEY NEVER HAVE INHERITED ANY OF THE ORIGINAL MUTATIONS. No Hopi writerfella knows or has heard about possesses six fingers and/or six toes, and epigeneticism demands that this be so.
In a later post, writerfella will show that epigeneticism indeed is a proof that BigFoot exists...
All Best
Russ Bates
'writerfella'
I didn't say you claimed the "Anasazi" were wiped out. I said you must be claiming that, since it flows logically from your speculative hypothesis. If you think the "Anasazi" had six fingers and six toes, are there any modern-day people with the same trait? If not, then the "Anasazi" had no descendants. They were wiped out to the last person.
I already said that the six-digited people may not have intermarried with the other people of their tribe. Are you planning on addressing this alternative explanation? Or are you too smitten with your theory to analyze it critically?
So the "evidence" is on the Internet somewhere, but none of my searches has revealed it, and you can't find the URL. Wow, that's convenient. And you're complaining about my inability to complete a thought?
So you can't provide a coherent history of the "Anasazi" that explains where they came from and addresses all the archaeological evidence. In particular, how they interacted with the Basketmaker cultures that preceded them and the Pueblo cultures that followed them. Until you can do this, you have nothing--nothing except a half-baked theory based on a few scattered cases. Erich von Daniken would be proud.
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