Writerfella here -- As Bugs Bunny used to say, "What a maroon!" Regarded scholar or not, the writer has overlooked one important factor: position in time. And he desperately is trying to avoid looking at what can be called 'yet another original sin: genocide.' writerfella has access to volumes of material that would shame this man for writing such miscreant words. And those are the bound Bureau of Ethnology reports (ca. 1895) that were found in Bergen-Belsen by American troops, books that detailed the results of forcibly incarcerating Native peoples at the end of 'the Indian Wars.' These and other American publications apparently were used by the Nazis as guidelines for their treatment of concentration camp populations of Jews, gypsies, intellectuals, homosexuals, and other persons regarded as undesirable by the Third Reich. The question becomes not one of genocide, but one of original genocide. Sensing the problematical nature of such a find, US commanders ordered all such found items burned, and most of them then were destroyed. But a young US Army private decided to keep some of those books for himself, and thus they survive to today. He has offered them to writerfella, to be received when he passes away. The article cited here is only one of many mounted to rail against the findings and determinations of modern population archaeologists that the Native population of what is now North America numbered over 110 millions. Truly, the definition of the word 'genocide' will have to be changed before it cannot be used to describe the crimes fostered against the Native populations of the New World. All Best Russ Bates 'writerfella'
First, could they please stop quoting fake-Indian Ward Churchill as an authority on NDN history? It's like asking Al Jolson in blackface to discuss the African-American experience. Second, the vehemence with which white scholars deny the true population of the Western Hemisphere pre-invasion is just astonishing and, I think, a mix of guilt and condescension. As Charles C. Mann notes in "1491," you have only to read the accounts of the first white invaders, describing a North America "teeming" with Natives to know that the ludicrously low figures bandied around are completely divorced from reality. It's far more likely the the total population of the Western Hemisphere pre-Invasion was over 100 million, making it larger than Europe's.
Russ, is there any documentation on the Web of the claim that the Nazis modeled their "final solution" on the American genocide of Indians? I've heard that claim before and have looked for evidence, but I haven't found anything good yet.
If you have these books and they've never been published before, you should try to get them published. It would be a shocker and would help cement the idea that the Jewish and Indian holocausts are comparable.
"books that detailed the results of forcibly incarcerating Native peoples at the end of 'the Indian Wars"
Not to put words in Winterfella's mouth, but I don't think he's saying the Final Solution itself, as a whole, was based on US treatment of NDNs, but rather the use of concentration camps. These are very well-documented, and I believe their first wide-spread use was not, as usually stated, by the British in the Boer Wars, but by the US Army during the Trail of Tears.
Writerfella here -- I have seen those books, and I have read parts of them. They are in that man's possession, in Champaign, IL, and will become writerfella's when the man passes on. Some are in German, but the bulk of them are American printings, with German stampings. It only remains for time to pass... All Best Russ Bates 'writerfella'
"Just a mistake" implies a sort of "Oops, my trigger finger slipped" explanation.
As to whether or not Wounded Knee was intended, why not check to see how many of those who carried it out faced some sort of disciplinary action, vs how many were treated as if they did their usual job well.
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Writerfella here --
As Bugs Bunny used to say, "What a maroon!" Regarded scholar or not, the writer has overlooked one important factor: position in time. And he desperately is trying to avoid looking at what can be called 'yet another original sin: genocide.' writerfella has access to volumes of material that would shame this man for writing such miscreant words. And those are the bound Bureau of Ethnology reports (ca. 1895) that were found in Bergen-Belsen by American troops, books that detailed the results of forcibly incarcerating Native peoples at the end of 'the Indian Wars.' These and other American publications apparently were used by the Nazis as guidelines for their treatment of concentration camp populations of Jews, gypsies, intellectuals, homosexuals, and other persons regarded as undesirable by the Third Reich. The question becomes not one of genocide, but one of original genocide.
Sensing the problematical nature of such a find, US commanders ordered all such found items burned, and most of them then were destroyed. But a young US Army private decided to keep some of those books for himself, and thus they survive to today. He has offered them to writerfella, to be received when he passes away.
The article cited here is only one of many mounted to rail against the findings and determinations of modern population archaeologists that the Native population of what is now North America numbered over 110 millions. Truly, the definition of the word 'genocide' will have to be changed before it cannot be used to describe the crimes fostered against the Native populations of the New World.
All Best
Russ Bates
'writerfella'
Hope you find a good way to use those books.
First, could they please stop quoting fake-Indian Ward Churchill as an authority on NDN history? It's like asking Al Jolson in blackface to discuss the African-American experience. Second, the vehemence with which white scholars deny the true population of the Western Hemisphere pre-invasion is just astonishing and, I think, a mix of guilt and condescension. As Charles C. Mann notes in "1491," you have only to read the accounts of the first white invaders, describing a North America "teeming" with Natives to know that the ludicrously low figures bandied around are completely divorced from reality. It's far more likely the the total population of the Western Hemisphere pre-Invasion was over 100 million, making it larger than Europe's.
Russ, is there any documentation on the Web of the claim that the Nazis modeled their "final solution" on the American genocide of Indians? I've heard that claim before and have looked for evidence, but I haven't found anything good yet.
If you have these books and they've never been published before, you should try to get them published. It would be a shocker and would help cement the idea that the Jewish and Indian holocausts are comparable.
"books that detailed the results of forcibly incarcerating Native peoples at the end of 'the Indian Wars"
Not to put words in Winterfella's mouth, but I don't think he's saying the Final Solution itself, as a whole, was based on US treatment of NDNs, but rather the use of concentration camps. These are very well-documented, and I believe their first wide-spread use was not, as usually stated, by the British in the Boer Wars, but by the US Army during the Trail of Tears.
Writerfella here --
I have seen those books, and I have read parts of them. They are in that man's possession, in Champaign, IL, and will become writerfella's when the man passes on. Some are in German, but the bulk of them are American printings, with German stampings. It only remains for time to pass...
All Best
Russ Bates
'writerfella'
"Just a mistake" implies a sort of "Oops, my trigger finger slipped" explanation.
As to whether or not Wounded Knee was intended, why not check to see how many of those who carried it out faced some sort of disciplinary action, vs how many were treated as if they did their usual job well.
"how many were treated as if they did their usual job well."
In fact, 23 of them received the Congressional Medal of Honor for their role in the massacre. Pretty stomach-churning.
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