Because of the first two facts and despite the third, I posted the following link to Shining Elk's Facebook page:
Stuntmen wait for the camera operator on "Deadliest Warrior"--Deadliest Warrior--Hollywood Backlot
This led to the following debate with someone named Lisa:
If centuries of stereotypes had harmed Mongol Americans, I imagine they'd be out protesting.
My apologies, but having sat back and watched the anti-Dudeson's nonsense that went back and forth here, that apologist "argument" sounds a bit on the lame side.
And to be clear, I am in no way bashing the actors that participated in this dopey show.
Since Michelle represents Mo Brings Plenty, you can ask her how real or phony his outfit was.
I've posted items on two previous episodes of Deadliest Warrior featuring Natives:
Review of Apache vs. Gladiator
Aztec vs. Zande
As for this episode: 1) I think it's only in the filming stage. 2) I'm not going to belabor the points in my first review. Indians as savage warriors...check. No mention of cultural accomplishments...check.
I'll probably mention this episode when it comes out. So if you're looking for inconsistencies in my behavior, you'll have to try harder.
If I were trying to speak for Natives, make a name for myself, etc., I might slam this episode like the first episode. Since that's not what I'm doing, I probably won't. My review of the first episode covered the points I wanted to make. Case closed until I have something new to say.
Incidentally, Michelle and I have agreed about Tinsel Korey and Tiger Woods's "Indian" mistress, among other things. Would those be examples of "silly" protests that make Indians look "angry," or what?
I do contend however, that the seriously embarrassing situation, pitting "Mongol" against "Indian" does seem to re-enforce stereotypes. Does it not? The vicious, foreign Mongol against the Noble Indian Brave....I mean come on. How does one defend that totally invented, odd-ass scenario with a straight face?
"Deadliest Warrior" is not a comedy show (but maybe it should be), satirizing a stereotype so absurd as to make it clearly a smack down against stereotyping, as in the recent "The Dudesons" episode.
The exact target of "The Dudesons": Finns mocking themselves, used the clearly more intelligent Indian character they wrote into the episode to make the Finnish protagonists look even stupider than they usually do.
In that case, the way over-the top role of the Indian was used as a manifestly superior device to quite unmistakeably make the Finns (comically) look like the complete self-immolating morons they are. Somehow, against all obvious odds, many failed to reach that somewhat blatant conclusion.
Because "Deadliest Warrior" "purports" to be a "serious" look at "warriors" does not excuse that it is clearly an true offense in stereotyping. In fact, the whole concept of the entire show "Deadliest Warrior" seems to be made up only of diverse racial stereotypes.
Makes you almost miss the late 40's to early 50's, when all of the bad guys somehow had thick German accents. Or the 60's and 70's when those Germans turned into "evil" Russians. Now those were real stereotypes!
I'm not defending Deadliest Warrior. I told you I criticized the first show, which seemed representative of the whole. If the Comanche vs. Mongol episode presents something new to criticize, I'll criticize it.
Again, why don't you ask Michelle how someone defends Deadliest Warrior? She's promoting Mo Brings Plenty, not me. I imagine she'll promote Comanche vs. Mongol when it comes out, too. Ask her what she thinks about the savage stereotype she's helping to perpetuate.
If you're trying to compare Deadliest Warrior to The Dudesons, historical accuracy is always better than historical inaccuracy. With Deadliest Warrior you have to know something about Indian history. You have to figure out that Apaches, Aztecs, and Comanches weren't as bad as the stereotypes.
In contrast, The Dudesons hits you in the face with stereotypes. You know, like an Indian catching a fish in his mouth. Not only do they portray Indians as savages, but as stupid savages. I'd rather be considered a smart savage than a stupid savage any day.
Thanks for your opinion on the Dudesons episode. Alas, that's all it is, of course: an opinion. You have no way of knowing what the Finnish fools were thinking or what they intended.
You think Saginaw Grant came off as superior? By agreeing that he was "King of All Indians" and telling us that Indians really do catch fish in their mouths? You must have a different definition of "superior" than I do.
If Grant's job is to help stereotype his people, he should find another job. I don't excuse employees for bad behavior unless they're desperate for money and have no other choice. "I was just doing my job" went out with the Nuremberg Trials, in case you haven't heard.
Tinsel Korey is just doing her job too. A job that involves taking roles from Native actresses, unfortunately. Michelle and I both protested that, but you have nothing to say about it. Why not?
Again, are our protests "silly" or not? Do they make Indians look "angry" or not? These aren't rhetorical questions, so try answering them this time.
Uncle Tomahawk not harmful?
Critics like me have ripped the claim that the Dudesons meant their episode to be a spoof of Indians. Besides, the Dudesons' intent doesn't matter since stereotypes in minstrel shows are just as harmful as stereotypes in dramas--if not more so. For more on the subject, see:
Grant wouldn't show Dudesons to grandchildren
Idiot's guide for Dudesons defenders
Children and Dudesons believe stereotypes
The Dudesons, Polish jokes, and minstrel shows
Dudesons fans don't get it
Dudesons too "stoopid" to matter?
Okay to stereotype in "satires"?
When you can address these arguments, go ahead and do so. For instance, I'd love hear your defense of minstrel shows, Polish jokes, and other forms of racial and ethnic prejudice. If you label it a joke, it can't harm anyone, right? Well, I'm just joking when I label that a stupid and ignorant opinion, okay?
I asked a bunch of non-rhetorical questions in Ethical Code for Native Elders Needed. Feel free to answer them. Tell us exactly how much a Native can mock and insult his own people before you apologists and ass-kissers will criticize him.
For more on the subject, see Saginaw Grant's Dudesons Statement and Valenti: Movies Are Merely Movies.
Below: "I'ze just jokin' with ya, massa! Dis here stereotypin' don't hurt nobody!"